What Have You Just Seen... Marks Out of 5

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Jun 2007, 00:45

slasher13 wrote:Which version did you watch, I much prefer the director cuts, where Ashton kills himself in the womb, so he is never born

I obviously saw the theatrical cut.

tom2681 wrote: Loved Butterfly Effect, although I was a bit disappointed by the plot (not complex enough).

I think if the film had been anymore complex the logic would have imploded, as it was hanging on by a string at the end. Time travel films are notoriously tricky which is why I'm cutting it some slack and applauding the ambition. I can see why some of your rate it higher than me, but I just didn't think it hit the bullseye. A better lead actor may have helped.

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 18 Jun 2007, 03:38

Hot Fuzz - 3/5
Entertains but it's just so painfully lacking in originality.

Tombstone - 3/5
It starts out fairly solid but ends up feeling very rushed.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 18 Jun 2007, 04:09

Lourdes wrote:Hot Fuzz - 3/5
Entertains but it's just so painfully lacking in originality.

You were expecting a post-modern homage film to be original?

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 18 Jun 2007, 04:57

The lack of originality was in its execution, not the tributes. Other Pegg stuff is the same, you know exactly what's going to happen and how at every point.

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 18 Jun 2007, 06:20

hey,

A Bite of Love 2/5

Ambitious on behalf of D&B (shooting in the UK, in synch sound and having the final product mixed in Dolby. Don't expect that track to turn up on dvd, hunt down the laser instead) but this ambition would lead to the end not long after this (the Black Cat movies took care of this). This vampire flick doesn't warrant much attention as it's fairly stale and standard. George Lam is his usual dependent self (plank) but Norman Tsui is fun in a role he sinks his teeth into, literally.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Jun 2007, 12:07

Déja Vu - 4/5
Didn't expect this to be so good. WTF @ the German rating. An FSK-12?

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 18 Jun 2007, 15:32

Seven Swords - 3/5
Pretty good movie, the ending fighting is great, but didn't like Donnie Yen in the middle with the girl. There is way too much story to cover and it did feel that alot was cut out which is a shame, but it is a cool movie. I liked it.

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 18 Jun 2007, 20:31

hey,

The Story Of Woo Viet 4/5

It's a rough looking, violent, downbeat one but Ann Hui's refugee drama is still effective (as is Chow Yun-Fat's first great performance) and the old Winson laserdisc finally brings out the nuances better than the US dvd (re-titled God Of Killers) ever could.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Jun 2007, 22:04

thelostdragon wrote:Déja Vu - 4/5
Didn't expect this to be so good. WTF @ the German rating. An FSK-12?

You think that's too high or too low? It was a '12' in the UK and Eire. Mind you, I think a couple of bits could've made this a '15'. A brutal punch to a restrained woman and the threat of her fingers being cut off, and also perhaps the bit where petrol is poured onto a prone man (before he's set ablaze). I would've cut it for a '12' to be honest, but the BBFC are very linient these days. The Germans are usually stricter aren't they?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Jun 2007, 22:04

Knetan wrote:hey, The Story Of Woo Viet 4/5 It's a rough looking, violent, downbeat one but Ann Hui's refugee drama is still effective (as is Chow Yun-Fat's first great performance) and the old Winson laserdisc finally brings out the nuances better than the US dvd (re-titled God Of Killers) ever could.

I need to see this.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Jun 2007, 22:47

Markgway wrote:
thelostdragon wrote:Déja Vu - 4/5
Didn't expect this to be so good. WTF @ the German rating. An FSK-12?
You think that's too high or too low?

It should definitely have an FSK-16 certificate IMO. I agree with you.

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 19 Jun 2007, 20:33

hey,

Rose 2/5

aka The Story Of Rose and Lost Romance, Maggie Cheung and Chow Yun-Fat shine as shining stars does but in a empty package by director Yonfan. To some it may mean a lot, containing buddhist connections, being a Greek tragedy. Me...am not buying it.

The out of print dvd had the original voice track with Maggie and Chow replaced by a new dub starring Tse Kwan Ho and Ada Choi. Odd. Winson laserdisc contains the original dub.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 19 Jun 2007, 22:12

The Great Global Warming Swindle 5/5

Basically shoots down Al Gore's documentary (An Inconvinient Truth) and presents major flaws in the theory of global warming being man-made.

Unless someone can find a definitive answer, I'm gonna continue to happily burn petrol, leave my tv on standby and have my computer on 24/7. Don't really care if the last inhabitable place on the planet will be antarctica in 10 years time.

As long as we get scorching summers, I'm all for global warming tbh.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 20 Jun 2007, 04:25

Until Death - 3.75/5
Best straight-to-video Van Damme-film ever. I really didn't have any high hopes. While "Wake of Death" was quite ok, all his other straight-to-video films were utter shite. Like "Second in Command", wtf?
"Until Death" however was a really solid film. It might features Van Damme's best acting performance, exciting gunfights and some hilarious dialogues. Van Damme plays a heroin addicted cop who is about to lose his wife etc. Kinda like the premise of "New Police Story", only that Van Damme's character is far more messed up than Jackie Chan's. One of my favourite quotes:

Valerie Stowe: Anthony, Im pregnant.
Anthony Stowe: [Anthony drunk and high] How could you forget to...
Valerie Stowe: The baby isn't yours.
Anthony Stowe: [Pausing] You fucked him! You fucked Callaghan! (Stowe's enemy!)
Valerie Stowe: [throws her wedding ring at Anthony] You're sick! Don't ever talk to me ever again!
Anthony Stowe: [as Valerie is leaving the restaurant] Try not to fuck the valet on your way out!

Some screenshots:
http://www.liquid-love.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5438

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 20 Jun 2007, 05:10

Bisc, if you base your views on stupid documentaries then you're a right idiot.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 20 Jun 2007, 06:10

Lourdes wrote:Bisc, if you base your views on stupid documentaries then you're a right idiot.

Nowadays, you could make a 90 minute documentary about the masterplan of evil chocolate chip cookies trying to take over the world. win an oscar-nomination for it, and have some geek(s) on the internet release an equally long documentary, debunking YOUR doc, step by step.

Logical thinking and the statistics about global warming, would learn everyone that the problem is very really, and very much man-made.

There is a huge amount of global pollution, and that cant be good, whichever way you want to look at it.

And Bisc, trust me, if you think things will get more pleasant if this trend continues, then you are in for an unpleasant surprise.
Day After Tomorrow is obviously a HUGE overstatement which seems highly unrealistic, but the cause of the problems in that movie (the warm watercurrent stopping, causing a new ice age to set in) has already been documented before that movie was made, and seems to be a very realistic scenario.

degeneration · Post by **degeneration** » 20 Jun 2007, 09:02

BiscLimpkit wrote:
As long as we get scorching summers, I'm all for global warming tbh.

I've heard or read somewhere that if global warming continues, at some stage britain will actually get colder and wetter because the atlantic convection current that brings in a lot of our warm air, will kind of cease cause of environmental factors or change in some way... and with it not taking place in the same way, we lose a lot of our warm weather.

so it may be good for our summers just now, but down the line it won't be - if what I heard/read is true.

And I'm pretty sure the places that were already hot (bits of Europe and Africa) that are going to get hotter won't be quite so keen on it.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 20 Jun 2007, 09:15

Yeah that's what I've heard too Degen, what is actually more likely to happen is it will reverse the flow of the Gulf Stream or Atlantic current or something, thus making Britain colder. Changes that took place in hundreds/thousands of years now happen much faster, and its true to say humans are exacerbating the changes in conditions. But just how much is man made, and how much is the planet naturally warming up/cooling etc? It does seem as if "Global Warming" has been sprung on us.

Yi Long:

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 20 Jun 2007, 09:24

degeneration wrote: I've heard or read somewhere that if global warming continues, at some stage britain will actually get colder and wetter because the atlantic convection current that brings in a lot of our warm air, will kind of cease cause of environmental factors or change in some way... and with it not taking place in the same way, we lose a lot of our warm weather.

So not really any difference to the current miserable climate over there.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 20 Jun 2007, 15:18

Faster, Pussycat... Kill! Kill! – 3/5
Superb opening but gets a little boring after that. Meyer wastes too much time on the girls’ tits (which in this case I couldn’t care less) and the main characters don’t get ”interesting” until later on. The supporting characters however are good. The second half is quite a lot of fun. As an experince the film is memorable and deserves its classic status. 3/5, but just barely.

Natural Born Killers – 4/5
The first scene (Juliette dancing) is wonderful but then the editing started getting on my nerves. I got used to it very fast, though. And while the editing doesn’t always work to the fullest the cinematography is great. Maybe too many b/w shots and cuts from one film type to another but otherwise pure excellence. Acting is terrific too, especially Woody Harrelson is amazing.

Vanishing Point (1971) – 3,5/5
Very nice film although I was expecting a more climatic chase at the end. Lots of good driving though. I recall finding the soundtrack a bit distracting last time but this time I didn’t have much problem with.

Freddy vs Jason - 2,5/5
Too much cgi and too little blood, but still perfectly watchable. So tied to its time it'll become a small classic in 30 years. I probably missed a lot of references as I've only seen the first Elm Street movie and the first 3/4 of the first Friday movie.

Two Mules for Sister Sara – 3/5
Thoroughly decent Eastwood / Siegel western, partly thanks to Shirley MacLaine.

The Border (1982) – 3/5
This seemed like it could crash any minute but it never really did. Great cast.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 20 Jun 2007, 18:17

Lourdes wrote:Bisc, if you base your views on stupid documentaries then you're a right idiot.

Agreed and the same applies to people who based their views on An Inconvinient Truth or any other stupid documentary.

Thankfully I've been reading articles both for and agaisnt the arguement... prior to watching the documentary. My views therefore are not solely based on this programme.

Let me explain my views anyway. Do I think that global warming is man-made? I don't know. Do I think it is influenced by something outwith man's control? Again I don't know.

Do I care that the world's being destroyed? Well, not really. Myself giving a shit is not going to change anything...

Have you seen this stupid documentary? What did you think of it? Stupid obviously.

I thought it was excellent because it gets you debating. There has always been a bias for global warming being man-made. We've all come to socially accept this without question. The arguement has been very one sided until recently so why not try to investigate the other side?

I'm not saying that the documentary is correct. If someone can prove the points wrong then great. But it definitely encourages the viewer to go out and verify if their facts are indeed correct - some pretty radical accusations were made.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 20 Jun 2007, 18:31

Yi-Long wrote: Logical thinking and the statistics about global warming, would learn everyone that the problem is very really, and very much man-made.

There is a huge amount of global pollution, and that cant be good, whichever way you want to look at it.

You talking about CO2 emmisions? The programme claims that volcanoes emmit more CO2 than all of the world's car/factory/industry emmisions combined. On top of that, there is CO2 from animals, dead plants but more importantly, the oceans.

They also claim that CO2 emmisions have risen as a result of temperature - not the other way around as most of us commonly believe.

Are they wrong? (That's a genuine question because I don't know).

Yi-Long wrote: And Bisc, trust me, if you think things will get more pleasant if this trend continues, then you are in for an unpleasant surprise.
Day After Tomorrow is obviously a HUGE overstatement which seems highly unrealistic, but the cause of the problems in that movie (the warm watercurrent stopping, causing a new ice age to set in) has already been documented before that movie was made, and seems to be a very realistic scenario.

degeneration wrote: I've heard or read somewhere that if global warming continues, at some stage britain will actually get colder and wetter because the atlantic convection current that brings in a lot of our warm air, will kind of cease cause of environmental factors or change in some way... and with it not taking place in the same way, we lose a lot of our warm weather.

so it may be good for our summers just now, but down the line it won't be - if what I heard/read is true.

And I'm pretty sure the places that were already hot (bits of Europe and Africa) that are going to get hotter won't be quite so keen on it.

grim_tales wrote:Yeah that's what I've heard too Degen, what is actually more likely to happen is it will reverse the flow of the Gulf Stream or Atlantic current or something, thus making Britain colder. Changes that took place in hundreds/thousands of years now happen much faster, and its true to say humans are exacerbating the changes in conditions. But just how much is man made, and how much is the planet naturally warming up/cooling etc? It does seem as if "Global Warming" has been sprung on us.

Yi Long:

Again the programme doesn't deny this but claims that this has all happened before. I.e. we are due an ice-age if the planet's history is correct.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 20 Jun 2007, 19:27

Death Proof - 5/5
I like this movie.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 20 Jun 2007, 20:41

Bisc that's interesting.
So CO2 rises because of a rise in temperature = it gets warmer = more CO2 = its get warmer...?
That'd be a loop. I'd read (since I was in primary school or something) that us pumping CO2, CFC's and shit into the atmosphere destroys Ozone layer, which of course protects us from the Sun.
Can the Ozone layer repair itself? I read once the hole is actually getting smaller.
But I've also read that trees/plants etc use up more oxygen than they make?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 20 Jun 2007, 21:04

Guys: stop talking about global warming in this thread.
Take it to Debate if you want.

Thanks.