The HD News & Technology Thread!

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 20 Feb 2008, 10:22

Brad i'm not interested in sermons from the resident b&b hd expert who has never played a fucking hd disc in his life. i have well over 100 discs on both formats so i have no need to be pedantic ,i can make a judgement on what i think looks better with the evidence of my own eyes thanks.at least Gasteropod actualy plays hd discs.! from your extensive knowledge of reading about hd on the internet can you counter my examples with 6 of BD looking better than the HD-DVD.?how would you know what Warner have proven?played their discs or read about them?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 20 Feb 2008, 14:26

The region coding alone was enough for me to want HD to win... but we'll all have to live with Blu-Ray. That's just the way it goes. I'm hanging off for a multi-region (or at least A/B) player to come along. Otherwise I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 20 Feb 2008, 14:49

Blu-ray will be fine if it make a player that'll 100% play discs (ps3 excluded)

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 20 Feb 2008, 19:42

PS3 are ugly chunky bastards.

I'd like something that plays proper and has the look of a Samsung.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 20 Feb 2008, 19:51

Markgway wrote:PS3 are ugly chunky bastards.

you forgot to add "but are the the most reliable BD players available"

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 20 Feb 2008, 19:59

Nah, you already said that.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 20 Feb 2008, 20:32

Brad wrote:Why not a Panasonic? That model is only Profile 1.0 and offers no TrueHD or DTS-HD support. The BDP-S500 adds TrueHD/DTS-HD but it too is still only Profile 1.0.

The only Panasonic that's available in France is the BD10, which is really old.

Couldn't care less about profiles or HD audio. I don't want no PiP commentaries or shitty downloadable content.
And it's not like I could tell the difference between a good old Dolby 5.1 track and TrueHD anyway.

Just give me a good picture. You can keep the extras and the lossless sound.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 20 Feb 2008, 21:31

tom2681 wrote:
Just give me a good picture. You can keep the extras and the lossless sound.

i totally agree with that 8)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 Feb 2008, 00:13

saltysam wrote:Brad i'm not interested in sermons from the resident b&b hd expert who has never played a fucking hd disc in his life.

That was harsh. Your point was completely illogical. It doesn't take an expert to work that one out. When I do get a HD Player you can guarantee it will be worth the wait and trump what you own. There is no weakness in waiting.

I was talking generally (you knew that) about the technical aspects of BD vs. HD-DVD. You were talking specifics. That's quite different, you know that too.

Why are we even arguing? We weren't even talking about the same thing.

saltysam wrote:at least Gasteropod actualy plays hd discs.

Who happened to agree with what I said.

Markgway wrote:The region coding alone was enough for me to want HD to win... but we'll all have to live with Blu-Ray. That's just the way it goes.

Agreed.

Markgway wrote:I'm hanging off for a multi-region (or at least A/B) player to come along.

The truth is that could take a very long time, maybe not but it's likely it will.

I may not own a Player but I can assure you I have done as much research into this as Salty and the like.

Markgway wrote:PS3 are ugly chunky bastards.

Agreed. That's always been one of my problems with them too.

Markgway wrote:I'd like something that plays proper and has the look of a Samsung.

If you just want BD the Panasonic DMP-BD50 is your friend.

I hear Panasonics work wonderfully and the DMP-BD50 will be Profile 2.0 too (something the PS3 cannot manage). It will also offer TrueHD and DTS-HD to future proof you (again something the PS3 can only half manage). So even if you don't care about Lossless audio (something I can understand DD5.1 sounds ace) at least you have it ready.

The only reason the PS3 is so popular is because it's A: A Games Console, B: Got stacks of marketing (how many BD Players ever have?) and C: Got off early with decent hardware. Many other BD Players are now starting to easily trump it.

Even Panasonic's DMP-BD30 (which is out now and costs roughly the same as the PS3) trumps it too. Here is a Region A DMP-BD30 (it's the same as the DMP-BD50 but is Profile 1.1 instead and drops the analogue outputs):

http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/produc ... s_id=38704

saltysam wrote:you forgot to add "but are the the most reliable BD players available"

Except they're not. They're one of the most reliable but it's no longer a single player market.

tom2681 wrote:The only Panasonic that's available in France is the BD10, which is really old.

Surely the new Panasonic models are coming too? I'm surprised you'd want a Profile 1.0 machine. Can't you import? After all that expensive I'd want Profile 1.1 minimum.

tom2681 wrote:Couldn't care less about profiles or HD audio. I don't want no PiP commentaries or shitty downloadable content.

Fair enough but wouldn't you want a newer player that was more future proof? I'm wager a Profile 2.0 machine is more future proof by it's nature than a Profile 1.0 one. That uses old hardware.

I'd also like the option of watching a PIP commentary, speaking personally. Like I listen to DVD commentaries today. Don't you listen to commentaries any more? Many BDs have a PIP commentary instead of the regular commentary.

Disney have already stated they'll be releasing some Profile 2.0 BDs later in the year. I think Sleeping Beauty and Finding Nemo are two of them.

tom2681 wrote:And it's not like I could tell the difference between a good old Dolby 5.1 track and TrueHD anyway.

Have you compared them? If so fair enough.

saltysam wrote:I totally agree with that 8)

Coming from someone whose never heard Lossless Audio. I am at least willing to accept "it could sound better".

Even Cooey over at Import Forum now agrees he was wrong about Lossless Audio. He too was just like you about it and actively ignored it but now he can play it back he loves it.

You'll never know if you buy a Player now that cannot handle them. It made sense 6 months ago but today Full Lossless Audio is finally possible so why ignore it?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 Feb 2008, 01:06

It is funny how only a few months back everyone was ignoring BD and writing it off as the failure. Everyone was so sure poor defenceless Toshiba with it's HD-DVD would win. All you read was talk of HD-DVD exclusives. Now how different things look.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 Feb 2008, 08:55

I researched this the other day, turns out that the PS3 is Profile 2.0 ready.

You probably won't see likely that feature added in the firmware for a while, because they'd probably want to iron out the bugs in the stand alone players. Don't want a games machine raining on the parade of an expensive dedicated player just yet. Ah, politics suck.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 21 Feb 2008, 12:12

bradavon wrote:When I do get a HD Player you can guarantee it will be worth the wait and trump what you own. .

what a pathetic comment.big deal.i'd expect a comment like that from a ten year old.playground stuff lol "my dad's bigger than your dad" syndrome or an inferiority complex,who knows which.?

bradavon wrote:Who happened to agree with what I said..

so? my point is he can comment,whether he agrees with me or not,he plays the discs,you don't. until you trump us all i'd keep quiet.

bradavon wrote:Except they're not. They're one of the most reliable but it's no longer a single player market.:

from your extensive internet research name a more reliable one then.

bradavon wrote:Coming from someone whose never heard Lossless Audio. I am at least willing to accept "it could sound better".?

i've told you i don't give a flying fuck about audio.on a scale of importance i rank it slightly above watching Blade Runner again before i sell it.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 Feb 2008, 14:22

FUCK salty, did your enter key get stuck?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 21 Feb 2008, 14:45

@Brad:
Sure, profile 1.1 or 2.0 is better than profile 1.0.
Sure, lossless audio probably sounds better than DDPlus or DTS.

But you have to take the price into account.
1.0 players are considerably cheaper than their 1.1 counterparts.

I can find a Sony S300 player for 330€.
Am I willing to spend 150€ more to get some PiP extras and interactive content? Hell no.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 Feb 2008, 14:50

tom2681 wrote:I can find a Sony S300 player for 330€.
Am I willing to spend 150€ more to get some PiP extras and interactive content? Hell no.

But what if they have a running video commentary on the The Forbidden Kingdom disc, featuring Jet and Jackie giving each other high fives?!

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 21 Feb 2008, 15:06

Paramount Goes Blu

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/ ... s_Blu/1496

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 Feb 2008, 17:25

saltysam wrote:what a pathetic comment.big deal.i'd expect a comment like that from a ten year old.playground stuff lol "my dad's bigger than your dad" syndrome or an inferiority complex,who knows which.?

You're the one who "every time" I post info about Combo Players have a dig, not I. It gets boring.

saltysam wrote:from your extensive internet research name a more reliable one then.

You said the PS3 was the most reliable. I said you're wrong, that doesn't mean I was saying there are more reliable players, just that PS3 doesn't stand alone.

EvaUnit02 wrote:I researched this the other day, turns out that the PS3 is Profile 2.0 ready.

Really? Fair enough than. I wonder why Sony are being so slow on DTS-HD though???

I'd still buy a Panasonic BD50 instead

tom2681 wrote:@Brad:
Am I willing to spend 150€ more to get some PiP extras and interactive content? Hell no.

My point was more that a Profile 1.1 and Profile 2.0 Player is likely to be more reliable and future proof playing discs at all than playing extras.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 Feb 2008, 17:26

EvaUnit02 wrote:But what if they have a running video commentary on the The Forbidden Kingdom disc, featuring Jet and Jackie giving each other high fives?!

Or Edison Chen and Chapman To professing their love of each other.

gasteropod wrote:Paramount Goes Blu

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/ ... s_Blu/1496

Great stuff. Bring on the re-releases!

We need an official statement from Universal too.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 21 Feb 2008, 18:04

bradavon wrote: You're the one who "every time" I post info about Combo Players have a dig, not I. It gets boring.

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can you not see the irony in appointing yourself as some sort of HD expert when you don't even have HD? it's like me telling jack nicholson how to act. what is boring has been the last months wittering about you and your combo so if i'm boring that makes 2 of us. i admit to knowing very little about HD but at least i can speak from experience which you plainly cannot.anyway enough of this shit it is boring now. i've never understood really why you've pissed so many members off in the past Brad, i can now though,add me to the list.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 Feb 2008, 18:13

I never said I was an HD expert, far from it.

But I have done as much (if not more) research into it than you. The only thing I cannot vouch for is how good HD looks on a TV screen. I don't believe I have ever implied I can. That's all relative anyway as a 6 months/1 year from now it won't mean much.

but at least i can speak from experience which you plainly cannot.

So? You put way to much importance on it. Having seen HD has very little to do with disc compatibility, Profiles or Audio specifications.

I've been updating the Combo thread first and foremost for me, secondary is everyone else. If you're not interested, don't read it. Hung seems to get on just fine with his Exploitation thread that only he posts in

i've never understood really why you've pissed so many members off in the past Brad, i can now though,add me to the list.

Me neither.

I guess I can be too direct and confrontational. It's hardly like I'm alone though, Romero, Mark and Eva can be just as annoying at times. As can many others.

It's what happens when you have a free for all with no moderation at all. Other forums the mods would've stepped in and stopped many flame wars that happen here but then that wouldn't be what forum members would want, at least not what I always thought they wanted.

I wouldn't care so much if my posts weren't actively picked out (it seems) but when others do or say the exact same thing those members who picked on my comments ignore them.

Anyway like you say it's not worth it, moving on.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 21 Feb 2008, 23:55

see you guys in a month or so,i need a break. i'll look in but won't be posting. cheers guys and gals 8)

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 22 Feb 2008, 00:15

I wasn't aware that B'n'B was as laborious as a fulltime job; what next? Someone being sectioned due to a dispute over a DVD comparison?!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 Feb 2008, 01:42

Fair enough Salty. Don't go on my account.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Feb 2008, 09:41

Forum won't be the same without Salty.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 22 Feb 2008, 11:57

gasteropod wrote:I wasn't aware that B'n'B was as laborious as a fulltime job; what next? Someone being sectioned due to a dispute over a DVD comparison?!

it's called internet fatigue.i spend far too much time online imo. i don't have a problem with anyone here and shall return