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Mo wrote:Master is Bruce Fists of Vengeance in one of those packs? You need to watch an entertaining Bruceploitation some time. Have you seen Kung Fu Fever?
It's in a pack of four with Big Boss II (awful), Clones of Bruce Lee (wrote about this earlier) and Bruce Lee’s Deadly Kung Fu (1976: Chi Chang, Hua Chen) which I also wrote a small paragraph on which is my favorite film of the four. I enjoyed that one. Now there is Bruceploitation I like for example Tower of Death (Game of Death II).

I have not seen Kung Fu Fever, though I have seen several Dragon Lee films.
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grim_tales wrote:Shouldnt Legend of a Fighter have been in Cantonese and not Mandarin?
Yes.

HKL cropped their early releases because the berk in charge thought no one wanted black bars on their TV.

Seriously.
The guy never learn to leave well enough alone.
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Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:
Mo wrote:Master is Bruce Fists of Vengeance in one of those packs? You need to watch an entertaining Bruceploitation some time. Have you seen Kung Fu Fever?
It's in a pack of four with Big Boss II (awful), Clones of Bruce Lee (wrote about this earlier) and Bruce Lee’s Deadly Kung Fu (1976: Chi Chang, Hua Chen) which I also wrote a small paragraph on which is my favorite film of the four. I enjoyed that one. Now there is Bruceploitation I like for example Tower of Death (Game of Death II).

I have not seen Kung Fu Fever, though I have seen several Dragon Lee films.
Game of Death II has some great fights, I like that one :D
Though to be honest, I cant remember if I saw any genuine Bruceploitation movies, I think I remember 'Bruce Lee Fights Back from the Grave' (or something like that) in the VHS rental days.
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Markgway wrote:HKL cropped their early releases because the berk in charge thought no one wanted black bars on their TV.

Seriously.
In fairness to that logic though, back then people didn't! What HKL failed to realise was that their hardcore consumer-base was more tech-savvy and actually knowledgable about the OAR of asian films, whereas the less hardcore (but still more niche-orientated) were swiftly getting up to speed by the growing market of internet blogs explaining how these films should be watched.

I can understand why HKL fell into the OAR trap back in those early days though, but it doesn't really excuse it, and it certainly doesn't excuse the consistent framing issues that would plague their releases.
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The thing is, they could have done both. Early DVDs such as Beetlejuice have a OAR and a 4:3 option. In fact, HKL's 1.78:1 cropping must have pleased no-body, as it still left black bars on the picture on your average TV.
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Shingster wrote:
Markgway wrote:HKL cropped their early releases because the berk in charge thought no one wanted black bars on their TV.

Seriously.
In fairness to that logic though, back then people didn't! .
And in 2000, based on the two widescreen tapes I had, I didn't either! But I was only 13 years old.
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Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:
Mo wrote:Master is Bruce Fists of Vengeance in one of those packs? You need to watch an entertaining Bruceploitation some time. Have you seen Kung Fu Fever?
It's in a pack of four with Big Boss II (awful), Clones of Bruce Lee (wrote about this earlier) and Bruce Lee’s Deadly Kung Fu (1976: Chi Chang, Hua Chen) which I also wrote a small paragraph on which is my favorite film of the four. I enjoyed that one. Now there is Bruceploitation I like for example Tower of Death (Game of Death II).

I have not seen Kung Fu Fever, though I have seen several Dragon Lee films.
Game of Death II has some great fights, I like that one :D
Though to be honest, I cant remember if I saw any genuine Bruceploitation movies, I think I remember 'Bruce Lee Fights Back from the Grave' (or something like that) in the VHS rental days.
Bruceploitation is such a bizarre niche of a subgenre. For the most part they are only for a dedicated few who have the butt power to sit through some awfully made films (though there are some gems of scenes now and then.) Though in history this was nothing new. I think the best analogy was when there were so many Charlie Chaplin knockoffs during the teens and early twenties -- the public just could not get enough Chaplin and well many tried to fill in his shoes (and the films were lower budget as well, the big difference was Chaplin was alive). Those were ersatz -- though there are also a few gems among them too (Billy West was a decent imitator).

I wanted to catch up on a few this year because my knowledge was a bit limited.
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Bruceploitation at its best is a great time capsule of 70's kung fu mania. Unfortuntely, you've got all those boring Dragon Lee flicks to sift through.
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Ivan Drago wrote: And in 2000, based on the two widescreen tapes I had, I didn't either! But I was only 13 years old.
I started collecting widescreen tapes in 1993 (I think Die Hard was the first I bought).

I was also 13. ;)
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Mo wrote:I've had the same luck with Bruce Le movies as Ive had with Dragon Lee. There's only a few movies worth watching from each of them.
What is your favorite Bruce Le and Dragon Lee film then? Acting-wise they make Bruce Li look better and better.
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Not a fan of Bruceploitation, but of Bruce Le's (Wong Kin-Lung) output, Bruce and Shaolin Kung Fu with Chen Hsing was tolerable.

Don't think I've seen any of Dragon Lee's films, majority of which were purely Korean.
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Dragon Lee always looked constipated to me. Bruce Le could probably have looked more impressive in better made movies imo.
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saltysam wrote:Dragon Lee always looked constipated to me. Bruce Le could probably have looked more impressive in better made movies imo.
Dragon Lee overacts so much it looks like he could explode (of course that could be the constipation), Bruce Le underacts. Le might play a good cyborg though. Le does look better when the film is better, but still not enough to think of him as an actor.
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Mo wrote:The one movie I really liked Bruce Le in was Future Hunters where he teams up with Robert Patrick. I think the movie would have been better if he stuck around for the rest of the movie instead of just making a cameo.
Well he is also in The Super Inframan (1975) which I like. It's interesting (to me) that he started off with Shaw Brothers.
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Bruce Le's best film is probably The Super Gang, where he doesn't really intrude too heavily. I do have a soft spot for Enter the Game of Death.
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The bullfighting scene is Challenge of the Tiger...or Ninja Strikes Back, I forget!
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The New One-Armed Swordsman (1971: Chang Cheh: Hong Kong):

Considering how much I like this, how little I have read about it, how few (if any) canonical lists it is on, I would consider this an underrated gem in the oeuvre of Chang Cheh. While I will have to ponder more on how I think it compares to the previous two One-Armed films from Chang Cheh (The One-Armed Swordsman, Return of the One-Armed Swordsman) I thought this was a blast and a worthy and last entry in the Shaw’s one-armed films (the character would continue elsewhere).*

The production values of this is sublime with beautiful sets and one of the best directing efforts in terms of cinematography I have seen from Chang Cheh and cinematographer Kung Mu-tu (aka Yukio Miyaki). There is plenty of deep focus, beautiful composition that makes full use of the sets, foreground, dolly movements and complicated set-ups.

This fits nicely in Chang Cheh’s output as it focuses on male heroes (using the Iron Triangle of David Chiang, Ti Lung and Cheh), homosocial bonding, homoerotic content, revenge, Peckinpah-ish slow-motion and lots of blood lust. The martial arts scenes come off nicely here as well. I am not always fond (or else like with Tom Cruise my opinion of him has increased over the years) of David Chiang but he comes off well here. He is more athletic than the previous Jimmy Wang Yu, though Yu does have a different type of panache that can play pathos well, though lacks the impishness that Chiang has.

I do think more could have been made about Lei Li (David Chiang) improving his martial art abilities. He started off as a badass and ended as a badass with no obligatory training scenes for the one-armed-ness. Though it is interesting how both Hero Fung (Ti Lung) and Lei found out the secret to winning completely separate from each other (though Lei did have a much longer time to figure it out – he must have been contemplating it over the years.) I was a little annoyed by Fung not wanting to know Long Er-zi’s secret. His steadfastness in thinking he was not going to fight him was a bit annoying (one would think any decent martial artist would want all information as possible before going into any situation.) But I had so much fun with this film I could easily watch it again, recommend it to other fans of martial art movies (who have not seen this) and wonder why Chang Cheh is not known as well as he should be.

One reason it took me so long to watch this was that it was never released here. I just happened upon a used R3 version (Deltamac from Taiwan; I had to watch this on my computer) that appears to be exactly the same as the R3 IVL version. This really should have a BD/DVD release here in the States.

* Dr. Craig D. Reid had this to say in his The Ultimate Guide to Martial Arts Movies of the 1970s: “I once asked Jimmy Wong Yu how he thought these films changed over the years. He shared that One-Armed Swordsman emphasized setting up the background story; Return devoted more time to the interrelationships of the characters, and more tricks were shown via weaponry and kung fu skills; and The New One-Armed Swordsman put more emphasis on the production, with many grand scenes.” I do wish in his capsule review that he had more to say about this film, though he has interesting information about the first film.
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It would be cool to have a buddy like Ti Lung or David Chiang (whose cheeky persona often hides hidden depths) but frankly I'd ditch both of them to give the lovely Li Ching a good seeing to... ;)
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Markgway wrote:It would be cool to have a buddy like Ti Lung or David Chiang (whose cheeky persona often hides hidden depths) but frankly I'd ditch both of them to give the lovely Li Ching a good seeing to... ;)
You are not being in the spirit of Chang Cheh there Mark ;)
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I've never felt that the male bonding in these Chang Cheh/John Woo films was homosexual... but I guess people see what they want to see. We frequently hear the term 'bromance' used to describe straight guys with close friendships, but if you put it in a kung fu or gangster movie then obviously they're flaming queens in denial. The one exception I can think of is in one of Chang's later works - Slaughter in Xian, I think? - in which the two buddies do act very gay. But on the whole I think far too much is made of it.
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Markgway wrote:I've never felt that the male bonding in these Chang Cheh/John Woo films was homosexual... but I guess people see what they want to see. We frequently hear the term 'bromance' used to describe straight guys with close friendships, but if you put it in a kung fu or gangster movie then obviously they're flaming queens in denial. The one exception I can think of is in one of Chang's later works - Slaughter in Xian, I think? - in which the two buddies do act very gay. But on the whole I think far too much is made of it.
The male bonding is normally homosocial not homosexual within Chang Cheh and John Woo films. They rarely (if at all) use a straight and straight out homosexual character (I am not sure Shaw Brothers would have allowed it, nor do I think Cheh would have done it either) -- though many are implied or partially implied. There are too many references, images, themes that are either subconsciously homoerotic or on purpose though.

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There is a lot of homoeroticism in Chang's work, however I suspect a lot of it was actually narcissm by proxy.
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Gonin Saga (Japan, 2015) [DCP] - 2/5
New generation, new Gonin. You know a filmmaker is in trouble when the film opens with 20 minutes of non-stop flashbacks and even then the audience is unable to follow the incredibly convoluted plot. Worse yet, the new cast consists mostly of pretty boys whose beard probably hasn't started to grow yet and who look about as convincing with a gun as a fashion model. It's no better than a cheap television drama for the first 70 minutes; then something happens. A dynamic heist scene kicks in, the protagonists are chased by assassins played by real actors, and the film concludes with the most violent and exciting gunplay scene in Japanese cinema since Battle Royale. No CGI, no fucking toy guns, no lame ass posing, just ultraviolent butchery, especially after one guy finds himself an Uzi. Talk about an uneven film!

Abashiri Prison: Duel at 30 Below Zero (Japan, 1967) [DVD] - 3.5/5
The 8th film in the series, and one of the most entertaining. Takakura runs into an abandoned little girl whose real father is working for a slimy gangster (Toru Abe again) in a snowy northern mining town. Although this entry also doesn't have the strongest of plots and features some silly comedy in the early scenes, it comes with pretty good characters and it makes a good use of locations. Takakura especially gets to do his usual stoic 'worker class hero' act very well here. Like the previous film in the series, it also has a strong Western atmosphere with lots of gunplay, horse riding and Western esque score by Masao Yagi. It doesn't hurt that Tetsuro Tamba plays a major supporting role either.

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I'd say New One-Armed Swordsman is Chang Cheh's greatest, and probably his peak too. Everything he made afterward feels like he is a spent force, yet still with moments of greatness.
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Soul of the Sword (1978)

One of the very best Shaws, a dark swordplay saga with excellent production work and acting. It feels a lot more modern and progressive then the Chang Cheh or Ho Meng-hua films of the same year. Conversely, this makes the same old recycled De Wolfe music cues all the more distracting.

8/10
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