What general film/series have you just seen.. marks out of 5

[grim_tales]

It is, but its the most complete version.

[gasteropod]

Just like From Russia with Love.

[Markgway]

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

Brad doesn't get picked on at all,quite often his posts lead to conflict and disagreement

Brad causes about 85% of the strife on this forum.

Yet we've just had Markgway saying that Grim is being picked on when he clearly isn't, so he must be even more of a drama queen.

Brad is always having a go at Grim over minor things because he knows he can't win an argument with anyone else. Sam, Shingster, etc hand him his balls... Grim just apologises. There was no need to criticize Grim for saying FRWL is cut and incorrectly telling him he was wrong. You know he won't argue. So I did.

It's wrong to call a film truly uncut if its been pre-cut

Exactly. If cuts are made by censors or on behalf of censors then in layman's terms we would describe it as 'cut'.

Isnt Lethal Weapon 2 still cut by the BBFC? Thus the distributors are wrong to call one DVD a Directors Cut.

Yes, it's still cut, but that's only because Warners have yet to release a Blu Ray here.

Austin Powers 1 was originally 3 hours before cuts.

Filmmaker and distributor cuts are entirely different. No one involved in the makiing of AP ever intended to release a 3-hr version.

There are plenty of films the MPAA have tampered with. We don't all throw teddies out of the pram over those.

It's frequently mentioned when films are cut to get an MPAA rating. Obviously you don't pay attention.

Random example, did you know "The Fast and the Furious" (that's part 1) was pre-cut by the MPAA?

Yes.

No one goes around saying that one is cut.

If the subject came up... but just because I haven't mentioned it doesn't mean I think it's uncut. I haven't even seen the damn film.

Going by Markgway's logic, Total Recall is cut, since the director's cut would have been X-rated.

And Markgway would be correct since Paul Verhoeven was forced to make several cuts for an 'R'. That's been mentioned on this forum (and others) numerous times.

[bradavon]

Brad causes about 85% of the strife on this forum.

Why stop at 85%? Go the whole sherbang and make it 100%.

Brad is always having a go at Grim over minor things

Yeah. I know I'm the anti-christ. Who wants to see Grim burn in hell.

because he knows he can't win an argument with anyone else. Sam, Shingster, etc hand him his balls... Grim just apologises. There was no need to criticize Grim for saying FRWL is cut and incorrectly telling him he was wrong. You know he won't argue.

WTF! I'm not allowed to disagree with Grim now, just because he may apologise. That's ridiculous. I disagreed with Grim (and you) because I happen to think he was wrong (and you) but of course I was obviously "picking on him".

Which he hasn't apologised incidentally, he's stuck by what he said originally. Care to belittle him any further? Who are you? His Mother. If you wish to argue with me, do so, don't unfairly bring Grim into the argument. No one was picking on anyone. Well except you.

It's not a case of winning. I've disagreed with Sam, Shingster and in this case I disagreed with Grim (and if you've still not got it, you too). But of course you've decided to ignore the fact I was equally disagreeing with you because it suits your "Grim is being picked on" argument. Which is still bollocks btw.

Exactly. If cuts are made by censors or on behalf of censors then in layman's terms we would describe it as 'cut'.

Hardly. That's picking the word to fit your own description. If we're going to be picky about such things (oh look there's that word again), of which we are. Austin Powers is cut, The Fast and the Furious is cut, Kingdom of Heaven is cut. They all have shorter versions of longer films.

Cut to most people means, a film is cut in one territory and not another (for whatever reason). Not pre-cut and the extra footage will never see the light of day.

If the subject came up... but just because I haven't mentioned it doesn't mean I think it's uncut. I haven't even seen the damn film.

Except it isn't brought up, nor is it brought up for thousand other movies. It's just James bloody Bond you and Grim go on about every few months.

It's frequently mentioned when films are cut to get an MPAA rating. Obviously you don't pay attention.

No they're not. We just harp on about BBFC cuts. Just admit it, you've got double standards when it comes to the BBFC.

I think I'll call you Sheldon from now on. You remind me of him.

[Shingster]

I actually agree with everything brad and gastero are saying in this thread (and that's from someone who can be accused of picking on brad in the past), if critics/fans were to harp on about every American film that has been edited down due to MPAA or studio pressure as "cut" then just about every film with adult themes in it would probably end up getting moaned about!

[saltysam]

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

Thank you.

And yet as recently as 7-10 days ago you Brad,were admonished by our moderator for trolling my posts-pot,kettle,black comes to mind.

[gasteropod]

You can't deny people have taken it too far in the past though with stuff like 'I hope you die a painful death' etc. Let's all stick to playful banter

[Markgway]

Why stop at 85%? Go the whole sherbang and make it 100%.

It was a cautious estimate.

Yeah. I know I'm the anti-christ. Who wants to see Grim burn in hell.

Don't be so melodramatic.

WTF! I'm not allowed to disagree with Grim now, just because he may apologise. That's ridiculous. I disagreed with Grim (and you) because I happen to think he was wrong (and you) but of course I was obviously "picking on him".

Grim's mentioned those cuts before and you've complained about him mentioning it before. What's the difference? You're both repeating yourselves. You then tell him he's wrong... when he's not. So I spoke up.

Which he hasn't apologised incidentally, he's stuck by what he said originally. Care to belittle him any further? Who are you? His Mother. If you wish to argue with me, do so, don't unfairly bring Grim into the argument. No one was picking on anyone. Well except you.

Grim has apologised on many occasions because he doesn't want to upset anyone and you know that perfectly well. Maybe I should step back so he can fight his own battles... I just don't like the way I believe you single him out.

But of course you've decided to ignore the fact I was equally disagreeing with you because it suits your "Grim is being picked on" argument. Which is still bollocks btw.

I didn't step in until after you made your first remarks.

Hardly. That's picking the word to fit your own description. If we're going to be picky about such things (oh look there's that word again), of which we are. Austin Powers is cut, The Fast and the Furious is cut, Kingdom of Heaven is cut. They all have shorter versions of longer films.

It doesn't work like that. Feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall.

Austin Powers is cut only in the USA (PG-13 version). UK version is uncut.
The Fast and the Furious is cut everywhere.
No idea about Kingdom of Heaven.

Cuts are not the same as a film being abridged or edited by a filmmaker or distributor.

Cut to most people means, a film is cut in one territory and not another (for whatever reason). Not pre-cut and the extra footage will never see the light of day.

You don't know that. Total Recall could very well be released uncut someday. If Lionsgate were to bother. The term cut applies to censorship only.

Except it isn't brought up, nor is it brought up for thousand other movies. It's just James bloody Bond you and Grim go on about every few months.

So what's it to you...?

No they're not. We just harp on about BBFC cuts. Just admit it, you've got double standards when it comes to the BBFC.

I don't. Cut is cut.

I think I'll call you Sheldon from now on. You remind me of him.

Who the fuck is Sheldon?

[Markgway]

I actually agree with everything brad and gastero are saying in this thread (and that's from someone who can be accused of picking on brad in the past), if critics/fans were to harp on about every American film that has been edited down due to MPAA or studio pressure as "cut" then just about every film with adult themes in it would probably end up getting moaned about!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC-17_rated_films

That link is full of films 'cut' to obtain an 'R' rating (let's not even get started on PG-13).
Just because many of them haven't been released uncut elsewhere doesn't make them any less cut.
I've only mentioned James Bond in the past because I'm a fan and so many of them have been cut. It's not like I bring it up every few weeks. Backing up Grim is not the same as me reintroducing the subject.
But if you'd prefer for sake of balance I detail the cut status of every film cut on both sides of the atlantic whenever they're mentioned... just let me know.

[grim_tales]

I best watch a film tonight to get back on topic

[bradavon]

I actually agree with everything brad and gastero are saying in this thread (and that's from someone who can be accused of picking on brad in the past), if critics/fans were to harp on about every American film that has been edited down due to MPAA or studio pressure as "cut" then just about every film with adult themes in it would probably end up getting moaned about!

Exactly! You do have a knack of articulating yourself perfectly.

And yet as recently as 7-10 days ago you Brad,were admonished by our moderator for trolling my posts-pot,kettle,black comes to mind.

If you recall, we were both actually told to shut the fuck up. As I imagine we're about to be again .

You can't deny people have taken it too far in the past though with stuff like 'I hope you die a painful death' etc. Let's all stick to playful banter

Thank you. That is what I meant by sometimes fun, sometimes vindictive. Surely there's no need for that?

Who the fuck is Sheldon?

As you're too lazy to check yourself (it's the first result btw), here we are:

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=sheldon

You really need to see the show to get what I mean though.

That link is full of films 'cut' to obtain an 'R' rating (let's not even get started on PG-13).
Just because many of them haven't been released uncut elsewhere doesn't make them any less cut.

It seems only you who thinks this and maybe Grim, he's only mentioned James Bond specifically.

[saltysam]

And yet as recently as 7-10 days ago you Brad,were admonished by our moderator for trolling my posts-pot,kettle,black comes to mind.

If you recall, we were both actually told to shut the fuck up. As I imagine we're about to be again .

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Really?Check Shingster's post in this thread then.,post #4.

https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... hp?f=8&t=9

[bradavon]

That isn't the link I was talking about.

[saltysam]

That isn't the link I was talking about.

It was the most recent one-ie 7-10 days ago.So you are hardly the victim here,despite what your knight in shining armour would have people believe.

[Markgway]

Exactly! You do have a knack of articulating yourself perfectly.

OMFG! Could you be anymore of a brownose?

Thank you. That is what I meant by sometimes fun, sometimes vindictive. Surely there's no need for that?

I would never threaten to kill anyone or hope they suffer a painful death. So I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I'll just call you an asshole and tell you to fuck off -- but in a "FUN" way of course.

As you're too lazy to check yourself... You really need to see the show to get what I mean though.

Show? It's a comic strip. At least the first link was. You can't expect everyone to get your obscure pop culture references.

It seems only you who thinks this and maybe Grim, he's only mentioned James Bond specifically.

No, the majority of people who know what they're talking about (which naturally rules you out) would agree with me. I don't know if Grim agrees with me on films other that Bond; you'd have to ask him.

[Shingster]

Ever owned The Corruptor on DVD Mark? James Foley's commentary is a real eye-opener on finalising action films under the MPAA's gaze (back in 1999 of course).

[saltysam]

Haven't seen the Corruptor in years.will have to dig that one out

[Shingster]

It was recently part of 200DVDs I offloaded to Film Vault recently but IIRC he spends a lot of time moaning about how much of a headache the MPAA give action filmmakers, forcing them to balance out the total amount of violence in the finished cut, so if there are X number of deaths in one scene earlier in a film then they would only allow Y amount of gore in a scene later on in the film, etc.

[bradavon]

despite what your knight in shining armour would have people believe.

My armour certainly isn't shining.

OMFG! Could you be anymore of a brownose?

I of all people can hardly be blamed for brown nosing Shing.

Show? It's a comic strip. At least the first link was. You can't expect everyone to get your obscure pop culture references.

Second link, first link on Google.co.uk. My mistake. It's not obscure though.

Ever owned The Corruptor on DVD Mark? James Foley's commentary is a real eye-opener on finalising action films under the MPAA's gaze (back in 1999 of course).

"This Film Is Not Yet Rated" is a documentary all films fans should see. The MPAA also have an illogical fear of sex.

[Markgway]

Ever owned The Corruptor on DVD Mark? James Foley's commentary is a real eye-opener on finalising action films under the MPAA's gaze (back in 1999 of course).

I'd be interested to hear Foley's comments but didn't like the film enough to buy it.

It was recently part of 200DVDs I offloaded to Film Vault recently but IIRC he spends a lot of time moaning about how much of a headache the MPAA give action filmmakers, forcing them to balance out the total amount of violence in the finished cut, so if there are X number of deaths in one scene earlier in a film then they would only allow Y amount of gore in a scene later on in the film, etc.

That's a common complaint. US filmmakers are at the mercy of the R rating.

[Markgway]

Second link, first link on Google.co.uk. My mistake. It's not obscure though.

Sheldon Cooper?

Couldn't be arsed reading the whole thing... but from the opening paragraph he's nothing like me.

[bradavon]

Couldn't be arsed reading the whole thing... but from the opening paragraph he's nothing like me.

He so is . He thinks he knows everything too.

[Markgway]

I don't think I know everything.
I just happen to be correct on this subject.
Plenty shit I don't know about (or care to know about).

Just think: If you'd not made that snide comment to Grim the last couple of pages could have been averted.

[bradavon]

Just think: If you'd not made that snide comment to Grim the last couple of pages could have been averted.

Care to patronise me any further? Go on, knock yourself out.

They'd equally have been averted if you'd kept your nose out of it. Grim's old enough to argue for himself. That fact he didn't (or apologise) clearly shows there was no problem to start with.

[Markgway]

They'd equally have been averted if you'd kept your nose out of it. Grim's old enough to argue for himself. That fact he didn't (or apologise) clearly shows there was no problem to start with.

It clearly doesn't. What it shows is what I said previously: That Grim is too timid to argue with you. I don't mean that as an insult to Grim (he knows I like him). If you tell him he's wrong most of the time he'll just agree to keep the peace. If I hadn't interupted I expect that's what would've happened next. So don't mistake Grim's silence for agreement. That's just his way. I think you sometimes take advantage of that. Perhaps not everyone here agrees with me on that. Fair enough. It's just how I see it.