New Year's Resolutions

[saltysam]

1) Black market drugs are more dangerous because they're not regulated and you don't know what's in them
2) Addiction is due to the person rather than the drug, due to problems they have in life and how prone they are to be addicted to something in the first place

oh that's ok then.let's have a free for all.

And yes, all drugs should be legalised,

So you reckon heroin,cocaine etc should be available at your local Boots?You are insane

it would save lives

And it wouldn't cost any?

, the documentary says as much but you refuse to watch it.

There's documentaries out there that would tell you drugs are evil,but of course you wouldn't agree with that point of view would you.

[saltysam]

The Telegraph: "To tackle the problem, he concludes, we need to stop our obsession with bans and classification, and talk about drugs honestly. After watching this grimly fascinating film, I feel it’s hard to disagree."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... ights.html

"Congratulations to Channel 4 for screening the most sensible film about drugs I’ve ever seen." The Mirror

i look forward to seeing these newspapers fronting a campaign to get all drugs legalised then. Do you reckon they will?thought not.

[gasteropod]

It doesn't really matter, newspapers making comments like that will affect people more than you might think.

[saltysam]

It doesn't really matter, newspapers making comments like that will affect people more than you might think.

Yes,i often take great heed of the telegraph tv critic my issue with your views isn't so much that you want them legalised which though insane can be argued,it's the fact that you don't seem to think drugs are actually harmful.

[gasteropod]

They're harmful if abused, but the problem is that many people just see drug use as drug abuse, but there's a difference. I mean, yeah I'm sure any dosage is harmful to some degree, but it's the same with anything, broccoli can give you a goiter but you don't just avoid it, you consume it in a sensible amount and reap the benefits (in the case of drugs, the experience). Also, MDMA is being tested for its therapeutic qualities for people with post-traumatic stress disorder and terminal cancer-related anxiety. People also use marijuana for medicinal reasons don't they, you need to take these things into account.

The thing is Sam, this argument is kind of pointless really because we both have strong opposing opinions, but I guarantee I'm more educated and open-minded on the matter so it's kind of irritating giving all these reasons just to get back a 'nah, drugs are bad' type response. I think I'll stop here as I've said all I need to say really.

[bradavon]

Put Channel 4 + 1 on now Grim! It was explaining how the drug situation (i.e. zero tolerance) is not working and is causing more harm than good.

Sadly it won't make any difference to government opinion. On this one, they don't give a shit what scientists and those in the know think. The same goes for prostitution.

Is it being repeated? What was it called again? I meant to Freeview+ it but didn't.

Why? Drugs are bad and watching it won't change my views.do you believe all narcotics should be legalised?

Ha ha . You come across as identical to religious (Christian, Muslim or otherwise) fanatics. I know I am right. How? I don't need to know how or see any conflicting evidence. I just know I'm right. At least watching the fucking documentary before making an opinion. It doesn't show weakness to watch a documentary and then still say drugs are wrong. It shows an informed opinion.

Nah,i've seen too many lives fucked up by drugs over the years.that's the reality,no need to be brainwashed.

You've never smoked or drank? Nope, didn't think so. It's double standards.

And yes, all drugs should be legalised,

So you reckon heroin,cocaine etc should be available at your local Boots? You are insane [/quote]
No not really. The moral stance is that all drugs (including alcohol and tobacco) should be banned and a ban will eradicate the damage of drugs. Oh wait a minute, the reality is a ban does absolutely nothing and just means people (who'll try drugs regardless of the law) will seek out drugs elsewhere, from goodness knows who and have no idea what's really in them.

At least legalising some drugs, the government would be forced to take control of the situation and users would know exactly what is the drug. We all know that nurofen and ibuprofen are identical, despite the labelling and packaging trying to tell us otherwise, because by law they have to be.

Personally I don't think heroine should be legalised but I do think the drugs that are scientifically as dangerous as alcohol should be. It's double standards to legalise one dangerous drug but ban another.

People latch on to the examples where someone dies but don't seem to put a connection with all the people who die of alcohol and tobacco yearly. Despite the fact the alcohol problem in this country is significantly worse than any of the illegal drug problems we have.

And it wouldn't cost any?

You've no idea if banning drugs or legalising them will increase or reduce lives. People will die (that much is fact) regardless of it being legal or banned. We've no idea why people really die from drugs (most of the time) because the ingredients in the drug, isn't fully known. Legalising drugs would change that.

[gasteropod]

Is it being repeated? What was it called again? I meant to Freeview+ it but didn't.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/our- ... od#3109766

Poll: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/our- ... s-be-legal

[bradavon]

Sadly it doesn't look to be repeated (at least on C4) but part 2 is the same time next week.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/our- ... od#3109766

Thanks but watching TV on a computer screen, interests me not. Thanks though.

Poll: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/our- ... s-be-legal

The poll only has very low numbers but 96.5% saying some form of "Yes drugs should be legalised" is a big number.

p.s - Why is this in the New Years resolution thread?

[gasteropod]

I just linked you to the 4oD stream Brad, just watch it on there lol.

This is the thread where we were discussing drugs a while ago so I thought I'd add this new evidence to it.

[Markgway]

Where I live you can hardly walk past one street without encountering a heroin junkie (it's that bad). I don't see how legalising heroin can make that any better. The criminals may be put out of business but the problem won't go away. All it'll do is make it easier for the junkies to get their fix and for newcomers to give it a go (hey, if it's legal, it can't be that bad, right?) I don't want these zombies with their pasty, clapped-in faces and bulging eyes roaming the streets. Legalisation is not the answer. Proper drug treatment and punishment - yes I said the nasty word - is the better option. Not all drugs are equally dangerous and detrimental to society but anyone who wants to legalise heroin is a nut and should be disregarded.

[bradavon]

@ Gasteropod: Does the author of the documentary want to legalise heroine? Not even Holland has gone that far. As said, for me I'm strictly talking about the drugs that have been proven to be no more harmful than alcohol. Certainly not heroine.

I mentioned it earlier but I'll bring it up again, who thinks prostitution should be legalised?

As it is in many other countries. I do. It too isn't going anywhere and I'd rather have it in a specific area. Well away from children's eyes, which isn't the case at the moment. The women don't have to be afraid of going to the police too, if they're attacked. I've never understood the problem with it. It's just sex, not some kind of saintly gift handed down by god. Like drugs obviously it has it's dark side but again at least it could be controlled and trafficked women, can be better helped.

IMO it's not perfect but the Dutch have got both prostitution and drugs (i.e - which drugs to legalise and which to continue to ban) about right. Given that there is no perfect answer. You cannot take drugs there anywhere, it has to be in specific places. Do it on the street and you'll be arrested.

[gasteropod]

@ Gasteropod: Does the author of the documentary want to legalise heroine? Not even Holland has gone that far. As said, for me I'm strictly talking about the drugs that have been proven to be no more harmful than alcohol. Certainly not heroine.

Tonight's episode was about why heroin should be legalised.

[bradavon]

An interesting episode and again it shows that fire fighting drugs just makes it worse. As the documentary showed, demand hasn't gone down (if anything it's gone up) and UK prices have even been falling. That should never be allowed to happen.

It's madness our war on drugs has actually fuelled the drug dealers pockets. That poor Afghan guy who got 16 YEARS and a fine of £25,000 literally because he was found with the drugs (everyone else scarped). What the fuck happened to, needing evidence? The judge even agreed he was just the night watchman, he fell asleep. I bet he regrets falling asleep for the rest of his life. Their law is absurd, if you're found with more than 10Kg of drugs (I think it means 10Kg), you're going to get a minimum of 10 years. She even seemed to be reading it off a table.

And then when they finally catch some of the big smugglers, the president pardons them.

I still agree heroin should be illegal but think even more soft drugs (those that are on the same levels as alcohol), should be legalised.

[saltysam]

What's this bath salt called ivory wave thats turning the stupid fucks who take it into violent psychotics?