Original Star Wars coming!!!!!!!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 19 May 2006, 10:28

Brad we can send an e-mail or something to complain here - bombard them with e-mails. Bickering on a forum is pointless.

publicity@lucasfilm.com

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 19 May 2006, 10:35

I'm sure they'll have an anti-fanboy filter installed, or else they'd go nuts

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 19 May 2006, 17:25

The Digital Bits wrote:We want to take a few moments this morning to post some follow-up thoughts on our Star Wars DVD editorial from yesterday. Since we first posted the DVD transfer information, and especially after our comments of yesterday morning, we've received many hundreds of e-mails from Star Wars fans, home theater enthusiasts and industry insiders (our sincere thanks to all of you for your thoughts), nearly all of whom agree with our sentiments, specifically that if Lucasfilm is going to release the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, they should at least present them in anamorphic widescreen to ensure some semblance of acceptable video quality for fans who may wish to purchase them. Still, a few people felt we were making mountains out of molehills.

Whatever your personal opinions, however, there remains a reality that is hard to deny, which is this: Anamorphic enhancement is the widely accepted industry standard for the presentation of widescreen films on DVD. This is not pie in the sky 'unobtanium' technology that costs untold millions to implement... it's a basic technique that is standard practice on DVD and has been for many years now, since the fairly early days of the DVD format back in 1997. Keep in mind, we're not asking for 4K high-definition presentation at this point. We're simply asking that Lucas - who has in the past been so focused on the quality presentation of his films that he created THX (and the THX certification process) to ensure it - expend a little more effort and money to ensure that the Star Wars DVDs planned for release on 9/12, which are already set to offer the original theatrical versions of these films, offer them in reasonably acceptable video quality that is commensurate to the minimum level that's considered standard for the DVD format today.

Now... we've heard all manner of excuses and contradictory official statements as to why this can't happen: 1) the original film negatives are gone, 2) the other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly, 3) there are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used, 4) the 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives, etc. Some of these excuses run from the unlikely to the absurd, and all of them strike us as publicity machine spin.

We've debunked all of these excuses previously but, for the record, let's do so again:

1) The original negatives are gone, destroyed as part of the process of creating the 1997 special edition versions.

We're inclined to believe this is true. Still, the original negatives are not the only viable elements that can be used to transfer the films for home video release. There are numerous interpositive prints. There are the separation masters. Worst case, there are a number of high quality release prints available. In short, other elements exist that can be used for this purpose.

2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.

We'll come back to this one in a minute.

3) There are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used.

See our answer to #1. Even if it's true that Lucas and his staff destroyed all of the original negatives, it's unlikely in the extreme that they also destroyed all of the interpositives, all of the separation masters, and all of the release prints. In fact, we know that they didn't. Where, for example, would the anamorphic footage of the original 1977 opening text crawl from A New Hope - the footage that appeared in the Empire of Dreams DVD documentary - have come from if not from quality surviving film elements? Still, even if Lucas did destroy every single scrap of original film available in the Lucasfilm Archives... we know for a fact that high quality die transfer release prints exist in the hands of a number of archives and private collectors. While not ideal, any of these could be given a high-definition transfer, a bit of digital clean-up and color-timing, and could be presented on DVD in anamorphic widescreen in quality that would be superior to a 1993 non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer.

4) The 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives.

See our answer to #3. This is flatly absurd. If this were true, Lucasfilm's archivists should be ashamed of themselves. We know of few professionals tasked with the preservation of film materials that would allow such critically important film elements as the original Star Wars films to be lost, to deteriorate or be wholesale destroyed. And again, even if Lucasfilm's vaults were so woefully incomplete, we know for a fact that quality elements exist elsewhere. Given 48 hours notice, we could track them down ourselves. Surely, with its significant resources and influence, Lucasfilm could do the same. If the 1993 laserdisc masters are really the best that Lucasfilm can do, it's disturbing. If not, a statement like "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD..." seems terribly disingenuous - the corporate PR equivalent of "I'm so sorry, but the dog ate my homework."

But let's get back to #2...

2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.

It just so happens that one of our regular contributors here at The Bits, the author of our ever illuminating Yellow Layer Failure, Vinegar Syndrome and Miscellaneous Musings column, is something of an expert on the subject of film preservation and restoration. Robert A. Harris, in point of fact, is one of the world's best known motion picture archivists, and has does significant work in this field through his company, Film Preserve. Robert's experiments in color technology and more recent advances in the digital domain have set standards in the industry. His reconstruction and restoration efforts, primarily in the large format field, have brought back to the screen some of the most important films ever produced, including Lawrence of Arabia, Spartacus, My Fair Lady, Vertigo and Rear Window.

We asked Robert what might be done with the original surviving elements of the Star Wars films in order to rejuvenate them and present them in high quality on DVD. Here's what he had to say on the subject:

"Bill Hunt has asked for an opinion regarding the element problems which we have been told exist in the various Star Wars films, and if they might be fixed.

We're aware of the extent of the problems, going back to fading of the original CRI sections - a problem shared with Close Encounters of the Third Kind - as well as the various cuts, re-cuts, etc. which have changed the conformation of the film elements.

Over the past few years we have been experimenting with various means of handling and interrelating differing film elements, and what we have accomplished would enable us to bring Star Wars back to virtually its original state.

In all deference to Lucasfilm, there is no reason that they would be aware of our latest experiments, or how they might apply to Star Wars.

Essentially, the project would be a reconstruction concurrent with restoration.

We can state with absolute certainly that we would be able to deliver fully restored quality elements as might be requested by Lucasfilm, inclusive of a pristine quality high definition video master as well as a full resolution 35mm preservation negative, if so directed.

It would be both a pleasure and a challenge to bring these films back to virtually their original state, and given a proper budget, commensurate with the work entailed, we would be willing to take on the assignment from Lucasfilm, and deliver elements which would make the release of the original trilogy to DVD as startlingly beautiful an event as it should be.

These films are extremely important both cinematically and as cultural icons, and deserve to be seen in the finest quality possible.

RAH"

So there you have it. It seems to those of us here at The Bits, that the only reasonable obstacles to Lucasfilm in releasing the original versions of the Star Wars film on DVD in high-quality are the will do to so and the willingness to spend a reasonable sum of money, such as might be required to get the job done properly. Certainly, any number of existing quality elements could be utilized for the purpose (and digitally cleaned up as needed) without breaking the bank. But considering the cinematic and cultural significance of these films, does it not seem reasonable and prudent to do so?

In any case, we sincerely hope that those in charge at Lucasfilm will reconsider their decision to use lackluster 1993 laserdisc masters to present the original Star Wars films on DVD in 2006. The films deserve better, and we believe it's the right thing to do for the fans. It might require a little more effort, a little more money spent up front. But we have to believe that it would be a significantly profitable enterprise... that countless life-long fans of the original films would thrill at the possibility of finally owning them on DVD in good, reasonable and acceptable quality.

It should be done. It CAN be done.

Bill Hunt, Editor
The Digital Bits
billhunt@thedigitalbits.com

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 19 May 2006, 17:29

Tom2681 wrote:
The 1993 laserdiscs werent anamorphic.
Yeah, but they ain't going to use the laserdiscs themselves as source, are they ?
They will use anamorphic prints (the ones they used to make the LDs).

Now it actually seems they will use the LDs as source.

Grim PWNS Tom.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 19 May 2006, 20:49

There's some interesting stuff going around the net that the reason Lucas is reluctant to do the original trilogy is do with his ex-wife Marcia and the interests she has in them. I'll try and find some decent links

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 19 May 2006, 22:41

Hey, if they're letterbox I ain't touching them. :shock:

If Snuff Bottle Connection can be anamorphic then fuckin' Star Wars can too!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 20 May 2006, 10:51

Agreed. If there is hope, its the fact that The Bits has often given out info from "official sources" that later turned out to be false. Why would Lucas put that THX "Superior sound and picture quality" crap on the box?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 20 May 2006, 12:00

grim_tales wrote:Why would Lucas put that THX "Superior sound and picture quality" crap on the box?

Come on dude, it's painfully obvious. They're talking about the 2004 SEs. The original cuts are just considered "extras".

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 May 2006, 15:49

Eva's right check out the cover art. They're being treated very much as extras, like deleted scenes which are often non-anamorphic and not cleaned up.

As far as Lucas is considered these are kitsch extras and nothing more. He's said on many occasions the Altered cuts are the cuts he would've released back in 1977 if he could have.

To spend money on kitsch extras to him is stupid. I suspect he's thinking we're lucky to get them at all. Lucas is in the minority thinking they're the better versions. The director isn't always right!

There's some interesting stuff going around the net that the reason Lucas is reluctant to do the original trilogy is do with his ex-wife Marcia and the interests she has in them. I'll try and find some decent links.

Huh? Please explain as this makes little sense.

grim_tales wrote:Now it actually seems they will use the LDs as source.

I still don't believe that will be the case but yes they're probably going to use the master they used to create the Laserdiscs. Laserdisc has a lower line resolution to DVD so to do this would be even more stupid than non-anamorphic DVD.

grim_tales wrote:Brad we can send an e-mail or something to complain here - bombard them with e-mails. Bickering on a forum is pointless. publicity@lucasfilm.com

If I cared enough I would. I'm more pissed that Apocalypse Now is still going to be cropped tbh.

I don't much like some of the changes in the Special Editions but I can live with it. Even though if I had to choose I'd say the Original Theatrical Cuts were better.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 20 May 2006, 20:29

Apparently, Marcia gets a cut out of the sales of the original - emphasis on original - Star Wars films. Since she and Lucas parted on less than happy terms, he is less than eager to see her get her slice of the pie anymore. She also had some creative input in the films. This may explain why he is now selling this as bonus features rather than films in their own right. This is mostly specualtion - I've not seen anything reliable yet

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 20 May 2006, 20:40

According to that Digital Bits guy they will be non anamorphic. I'll wait for official confirmation but if theyre letterboxed like Mark says I'll ignore this set.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 May 2006, 20:42

Thanks Ivan

Eva told us that a few days ago Grim

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 20 May 2006, 20:47

You said that you were sure it wasn't true or something like that?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 20 May 2006, 22:49

Actually, I 've always thought the films were overrated myself, so I'm not THAT bothered..... Up yours Lucas!! 8)

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 20 May 2006, 23:23

Yeah, I'm more excited about Hapkido. At least, Huang Fung can't hold back the original

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 21 May 2006, 00:46

That's because he's dead. But even if he wasn't....

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 May 2006, 03:28

I'll buy this releases regardless. For one I don't own the 2004 SEs and TBH I don't mind the changes all that much.

Eg I can't remember seeing Han shoot first (even though I've seen the original cuts many times when I was young), both songs in Jabba's palace are terrible so they cancel each other out, the CGI additions in ANH during the Battle of Yavin were quite nice, I'm indifferent to the both endings of Jedi. Changes I don't like are Boba Fett being redubbed by Temuera Morrison and the leering ghostly Hayden Christensen at the end of Jedi.

Brad, when you eventually get around to making a digital copy of Heart of Darkness, could you also please make me a copy of the 4th disc of the 2004 trilogy boxset? Leaving off the Ep.3 promo crap and the Xbox game demo of course. Cheers.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 21 May 2006, 10:34

The changes I liked were the enhancement of Cloud City, the new Sarlaac Pit and that lovely flute music added to the finale of Jedi.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 21 May 2006, 11:13

On the other hand, if this is the ONLY way/time to get the unf*cked versions on DVD (and remember we're getting the remasters AS WELL), maybe I'll get them.. gah - what to do?!

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 May 2006, 11:49

grim_tales wrote:On the other hand, if this is the ONLY way/time to get the unf*cked versions on DVD (and remember we're getting the remasters AS WELL), maybe I'll get them.. gah - what to do?!

Who knows what'll happen next year for the 30th anniversary, if not then there's Project X0 which is still going.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 May 2006, 14:20

EvaUnit02 wrote:I'll buy this releases regardless. For one I don't own the 2004 SEs and TBH I don't mind the changes all that much.

Neither do I.

EvaUnit02 wrote:Changes I don't like are Boba Fett being redubbed by Temuera Morrison and the leering ghostly Hayden Christensen at the end of Jedi.

Did he speak? Yeah the only change I really hate now is the Hayden Christensen addition it looks complete out of place. I can live with the change but it's done so badly. The colours don't fit with the other two characters, it looks to new.

EvaUnit02 wrote:Brad, when you eventually get around to making a digital copy of Heart of Darkness, could you also please make me a copy of the 4th disc of the 2004 trilogy boxset? Leaving off the Ep.3 promo crap and the Xbox game demo of course. Cheers.

Yep sure thing.

I'd do you a copy of HOD tomorrow but like I said I'm waiting for a reasonably priced Hard Disc Recorder. They reckon they'll have some in at the end of May so I'll be getting one for sure. I'm not waiting to much longer mind you, if they've still not got any in I'll go elsewhere.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 May 2006, 14:41

EvaUnit02 wrote: Did he speak?

Who, Boba Fett or Hayden Christensen? Fett spoke in Empire only, the original voiceover (Michael Wingreen) was really menacing and cool too. Tem Morrison is a fantastic actor (see Once Were Warriors) but he sucks in the Star Wars films (as do most normally good actors, like Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor) because Lucas' dialogue is so fucking bad.

Hayden Christensen badly pasted on head just evily leers, goes totally against the mood of the scene. Nothing like the happy old guy ghost (Sebastian Shaw), who was Vader unmasked.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 May 2006, 14:57

Boba Fett.

EvaUnit02 wrote:
EvaUnit02 wrote: Hayden Christensen badly pasted on head just evily leers, goes totally against the mood of the scene. Nothing like the happy old guy ghost (Sebastian Shaw), who was Vader unmasked.

Exactly

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 21 May 2006, 15:44

Yup. Boba speaks once IIRC. He asks Darth Vader:

"What about my prey?"

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 21 May 2006, 15:55

He has four lines

"As you wish"
"He's not good to me dead"
"What if he doesn't survive, he's worth a lot to me"
"Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold"

I really hate how Lucas is removing the entire contributions of actors just for some pointless, after the fact continuity