Download the latest MSN Messenger and give 40p to DVD Times

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 Aug 2005, 02:22

More info: http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/show ... p?t=383876

The direct link:

http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump.php?ur ... QA^I=17369

You're going to download it anyway you may as well give 40p to DVD Times/Forums at the same time.

If you have trouble with the version above another version (which is oddly 1Mb smaller but otherwise seems the same) can be found here:

http://get.live.com/messenger/overview

p.s - More info on 8.0 further down the topic.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Aug 2005, 12:25

Is there a later version than 7.0 (the one I have) then?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 25 Aug 2005, 13:09

Yeah, there was a "patched" version of MSN7 released a few days ago. I know cuz MSN kept nagging me to update it.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 25 Aug 2005, 18:49

Mine is version 7.0.0816 - is there a newer one than that?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 26 Aug 2005, 16:24

gasteropod wrote:Mine is version 7.0.0816 - is there a newer one than that?

No, that's the latest.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 26 Aug 2005, 17:11

Why do they get cash

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Aug 2005, 23:32

It's an affiliate link. The same reason they do when you buy from CD WOW.

In the case of MSN Messenger I presume Microsoft give them 40p each time. It's in Microsoft's interest to get people to download MSN Messenger.

grim_tales wrote:Is there a later version than 7.0 (the one I have) then?

Nope but Microsoft are often updating 7.0 (as they did for previous versions). Only to fix bugs as new features will be in a proper update such as 7.5 or 8.0.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Jul 2006, 21:08

Up now MSN Messenger 8.0 has been released. It's been renamed Windows Live Messenger though.

The one in the link at the start of this topic gives me a corrupt download (i.e - it downloads fine but won't run, on two pc's). It's also oddly 1Mb larger than the version on the MS website:

http://get.live.com/messenger/overview

Lots more info and screen shots can be found here:

http://www.windowslivemessenger.org.uk/

Including Shared Folders which for most who rarely ever send files isn't going to be much use. As most only send the odd file the Classic method will still do fine.

What's new:

Sharing folders

The Sharing Folder feature of Windows Live Messenger is an alternative to the current "direct transfer" method of file distribution. When a user wants to deliver a file to another person on his or her contact list, the "sharing folder" window appears, which is an individualized representation of all previously shared items.

When files are added to the "sharing folder" for that particular person, the file will automatically be transferred to the corresponding computer when they are online. This means that the folder is literally "shared" between two computers. If a user deletes a file, for example, the file will also be deleted from the corresponding computer's shared folder.

To minimize risk of virus-infected transfers, the "sharing folder" feature is bundled with an anti-virus program. The "sharing folder" feature can only be used on computers with NTFS-formatted hard disks.

PC-to-phone calls

In addition to PC-to-PC calls that have been supported in previous versions, Windows Live Messenger now supports PC-to-phone calls. The rates during the beta period are 2.3 cents per minute to and from North America and Western Europe.

Other changes

* Unlike previous versions, one can start conversations even when their status is set to Appear Offline, like in Yahoo! Messenger.
* Nicknames of individual contacts can be customized to appear differently from what the contact has set.
* Windows Live Messenger onwards gives the ability to turn off pre-pending contact names if same person writes multiple messages. If the same contact writes more than one message, the contact name will be displayed for only the first message.
* Messages from contacts can now be time-stamped.
* Color scheme can be chosen for the entire application, including the status window, and not just the conversation windows. A paint brush menu is situated below the personal message box in Windows Live Messenger, to facilitate choosing colors.
* Microsoft Passport has been replaced with Windows Live ID.
* Word wheel search within the contact list.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_Messenger

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 06 Jul 2006, 21:54

I've just downloaded and installed this on my test PC. It uses 42MB of system memory! Compare that to the 9MB of memory that MSN Messenger v.7.5 is currently using on this PC & I don't think I will be installing it on here!

42MB! I have some games that use less RAM than that! Its ridiculous!

No thanks Microsoft, I'll stick with MSN Messenger v.7.5.

Sometimes, the cynical side of me thinks that these software companies just artificially inflate their programs' resource usage just to make people buy new hardware...

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 06 Jul 2006, 22:23

WHAT??? 42 MB?

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 06 Jul 2006, 22:37

Yeah! Its completely crazy!

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 06 Jul 2006, 22:45

Just updated. It takes 22 over here.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2006, 00:03

3.2-5Mb for me while idle and 21-23Mb while it's being used. So similar to LD.

Who actually checks those? I sure as hell never bother, unless my system is running slowly that is. Which it's not it's perfectly happy running 8.0.

I couldn't tell you what 7.5 used up as I never checked. If it's running happily (+ so is the rest of your system) does it matter?

All this "I'll stick with the old version bollocks" is so stupid to me as you know you'll upgrade in a few months when everyone else is raving about the new features or you can't do something because you're running out of date software (talking generally on that one).

It's now back to 5Mb. Do you have something stupid like 5-10 MSN Windows open at the same time?

p.s - The installer went from 8.5Mb to 15Mb which is a good indictor.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2006, 00:05

Could anyone get the DVD Forums link to work? I.e - Download a "working" file? or did you have to use the second link like me?

The first link is found on a fair few sites. I've no idea why there are two versions which seem pretty much the same (bar that odd 1Mb reduction).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2006, 00:10

To put it in context my Firefox goes from 27Mb to 50Mb with a few windows open but oddly (considering how big it is) Outlook 2003 goes from 1.8Mb to 16Mb.

svchost.exe is 33Mb and that's a compulsory Windows background program.

That is surprising. Nah it's all bollocks, unless something makes your system grind to a halt (which Windows Live Messenger doesn't).

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 07 Jul 2006, 21:54

bradavon wrote:3.2-5Mb for me while idle and 21-23Mb while it's being used. So similar to LD.

Well thats nice for you both, but it was idling at 42MB on my test PC.

bradavon wrote:Who actually checks those? I sure as hell never bother, unless my system is running slowly that is.

Er... I do, to make sure that things aren't going to hog my main system.

bradavon wrote:I couldn't tell you what 7.5 used up as I never checked. If it's running happily (+ so is the rest of your system) does it matter?

MSN Messenger v.7.5 is currently using 5036KB of RAM on this main PC and thats while I'm using it.

bradavon wrote:All this "I'll stick with the old version bollocks" is so stupid to me as you know you'll upgrade in a few months when everyone else is raving about the new features or you can't do something because you're running out of date software (talking generally on that one).

I will stick with the old version thanks because I would rather wait until the memory usage bug has been ironed out until I use the program. Also, nobody else I know uses the new version, and none of the new features are things that I would use anyway so there is no need to upgrade yet.

bradavon wrote:It's now back to 5Mb. Do you have something stupid like 5-10 MSN Windows open at the same time?

No I don't. Even when MSN Messenger v.7.5 is running with about 6 or 7 windows open, it only ever goes up to about 12MB usage on my main system.

bradavon wrote:svchost.exe is 33Mb and that's a compulsory Windows background program.

Exactly. svchost.exe is a compulsory part of Windows. Therefore it cannot be removed without causing problems. Windows Live Messenger is not compulsory, so it can be removed.

svchost.exe handles processes executed from DLL files so I'm not surprised that it is regularly around the 30MB mark on my PC. I never said you could get memory usage down to nothing in Windows. I do believe that you can keep it to a minimum though.

My PC's current commit charge is 152 / 1950MB, which is damn good & leaves plenty of memory free for intensive applications.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 08 Jul 2006, 11:20

My PC's current commit charge is 152 / 1950MB, which is damn good & leaves plenty of memory free for intensive applications.

What does this mean please?

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 08 Jul 2006, 14:40

Your commit charge is how much of your system memory you are currently using. Open your task manager & look to the bottom right of the window. It will tell you there what your current commit charge is.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Jul 2006, 12:06

I've never noticed that before cheers. Mine says 427Mb/2461Mb.

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 09 Jul 2006, 22:30

427MB? Ouch!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Jul 2006, 00:16

That's not exactly a lot when you consider I have 2461Mb, 511Mb more than your total. Outlook 2003 would've accounted in that number.

Besides you forget 427Mb is just a number it means very little on it's own until you consider:

You know what like I said this means nothing if your system is happily running along and doesn't slow down doing your usual tasks (whatever they may be). This only actually means something if your system is slow and mine is so I couldn't give a hoot. The only intensive thing I do is some Corel Photo-Paint stuff and that's so rare.

Firefox, Nero, WMP, DVD Shrink to name a few don't need anything like a lot of RAM. So what if WL Messenger is running at 42Mb if I can't even notice it. The new Shared Folders feature is pretty cool.

Besides like I said my WL Messenger is only 20Mb (I've just checked now and it still is), there's something with yours if it's 42Mb.

You'll upgrade you know will, give it time and everyone will be on 8.0 (it was only released a month ago so it's not surprising very few are using it). It's out of Beta now so I'm not even sure it's a memory leak. As programs move on they use more memory that's inevitable.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Jul 2006, 00:25

Add to that: What apps were you running? Without saying if you were running anything when you quote that number doesn't mean much.

Mine is now 387Mb and I'm currently running BitComet (I wasn't before).

I've just restarted the PC and it's now 229Mb. One component of ZoneAlarm takes up 39Mb and I sure as hell aren't uninstalling that. BitComet is 40Mb. See what I'm saying it's average.

My Dad's PC only has 512Mb RAM (compared to my 1Gb) and his is 227Mb/1055Mb. Which doesn't look great but I know for a fact it has naff all running on it. Just ZoneAlarm Internet Security and Outlook 2000 really. He doesn't run Messenger.

Ah I better go to bed my tiredness is making me all paranoid

You have a separate pc just for testing?