The Rewind Forums: Holding Politics Hostage

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2005, 03:32

Check out the following thread to see just how dangerous stupid people can be when they have a little authority and a cause.

http://www.therewindforums.co.uk/forums ... 01&start=0

I'm not a member of that forum and if I was I'd quit. Last night was only the first time I ever visited. But the staggering hypocracy and inexcusible emotional blackmail perpetrated by the moderators (and some posters) left me aghast. I felt it was worth creating a discussion topic here to see if I'm the only one who feels this way.

Highlight:
42 Street Freak being called a racist for telling the truth (a frequent occurance on ignorant forums) in an admittedly explosive fashion and daring to go against the PC trend. The only continant that can save Africa from poverty is, er, Africa. Throwing money at a bad situation will not work and I don't care how many self-agrandising and self-righteous pop stars say otherwise.

Best quote:
"It's as simple as this: The Rewind Forums are NOT intended for political discussion. There are plenty of forums for politics out there."
A moderator said this - on a forum in which a political agenda has been FORCED on people who maybe just want to read about DVDs and shit? I swear some of these guys still play with their crayons...

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 11 Jul 2005, 07:08

Totally agree: text-book example of a forum run by inbred, powerhungry mods. It's amazing to even close the whole fucking forum in order to force people to sign the list. That kinda blackmail just blows my mind, and I can't believe all those suck-up sheep at that forum either, who all actually signed the damn thing, plus also stop the whole discussion about it after being told to by the mod. What a fucking joke!

I agree the guy is right though. It's wasting money if you give the money to the wrong corrupt people.
It supposedly also happened with the tsunami-donations, where alot of the money never reached the victims. And where countries sent useless aid, like fur-coats or whatever...

But that's an whole other discussion....

If I would have been a member at that forum, I would have been an ex-member after that shit.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Jul 2005, 08:45

I disagree with 42nd Street on 1 point - just because Geldof and the Live 8 gang are rich doesn't mean they don't/sjouldn't care about poverty. Ludicrous.
Kerr Avon said:
"So... once you have a certain amount of money, you are obliged to stop having a conscience? Decency and morality and humanity are not the sole preserve of the less afluent. Be sure to let me know how much I need to be earning so that I can stop caring.

Do some people adopt causes in return for the benefits (financial, image-related or otherwise) it will bring them. Undoubtedly. Does that mean that every wealthy person who stands up and speaks on behalf of a cause is a hypocrite? Of course not. "

Makes sense to me.
Actually what the other person had a problem with there was not what Freak said (some of the points) but the obnoxious way it was written.

Mark, Hans said that because you were (not sure why) only supposed to say whether you'd signed the petition and not write lengthy discussion.
Surely you can't argue against the signing of the petition?

I know I have a history of missing the point at stuff like this

There is a Rewind General (non DVD) Forum, could that used for discussion of more serious stuff?

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 11 Jul 2005, 09:04

Well, I have to agree with the admin of the board. Not all boards want all kinds of discussion going on - and the Rewind forums seems to NOT want political discussions... though both debaters have valid points - they shouldn't be made there.

Of course, the admin "forcing" people to agree with his views in supporting the Live8 to enjoy the regular service is another thing... but alas, with something free you usually have to take what you get.

SO... calling him stupid is a bit much I think, abusing his "power"? Yes.

In the end though there's a lot of shit going on around the world that should be taken care of - but I'm a strong believer in cleaning ones own house aswell. Did you know that France is leading a war on the Ivory Coast? And that people die there almost everyday?

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 11 Jul 2005, 11:32

err, to do with the racist claim bit, unfortunately it does class as racist simply due to the repeated use of the phrase 'black african'. most africans are black, just describing someone as 'african' would have made the point perfectly well (if not better), the use of the extra word merely emphaisizes the point in a racial way. also the statements -

And in all this there is not a White/Western face involved!

The UK has currently gaiven 220 Billion............220 Billion was the amount stolen by corrupt BLACK AFRICAN OFFICIALS in Nigeria!
220 Billion...GONE!

are nothing more than blatent racist propoganda. there are in fact many lines in the speech which have no basis in reality at all.

Its a shame really because i believe the guy makes many valid points, we can keep pumping cash in to these countries but unless controls are in place in the countries recieving the cash then it is just going to be squandered, syphoned away as has happened in the past.

as for the admin/mod behaviour over there, its theirs to run how they want. its always struck me as kind of odd how people are willing to get signatures from people who dont actually care about the cause they are promoting. to me it undermines the whole process. "x amount of people signed the petition in support of live 8! admiteddly only 20% of them were actually interested in live8, the rest just wanted their forums back ......"

m.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2005, 14:32

grim_tales wrote:I disagree with 42nd Street on 1 point - just because Geldof and the Live 8 gang are rich doesn't mean they don't/sjouldn't care about poverty. Ludicrous.

That's true. But the arrogance of these rock stars is staggering. They honestly believe that they are important. Decisions on world events are made by politicians not self-obsessed performers. Shouldn't Bono be out searching for his stetson or something?

Mark, Hans said that because you were (not sure why) only supposed to say whether you'd signed the petition and not write lengthy discussion.

Right, that's what I'm saying. It was sign or fuck off basically. And anyone who didn't agree was silenced. Utter blackmail and indefensible on an alledgedly apolitical forum.

Surely you can't argue against the signing of the petition?

Entirely irrelevent question. But for the record I would have to have read it first. I doubt most of the sheep who signed it did. If anyone wants to sign a petition that's their CHOICE. It should not be stuffed down people's throats by self-righteous mods who's knowledge of world politics presumably fits into a thimble.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2005, 14:37

gojensen wrote:Well, I have to agree with the admin of the board. Not all boards want all kinds of discussion going on - and the Rewind forums seems to NOT want political discussions... though both debaters have valid points - they shouldn't be made there.

I have no problems with a forum that bans political discussion as that's their right to do so. But clearly we're talking about emotional blackmailers here. "Sign up to my pet cause or lose the forums." It reduces the sincerity and weight of those whose signatures actually meant something to them. I NEVER sign petitions that are forced upon me by lefties with nothing better to do. If I want to help a cause I'll seek it out myself and do what I think is appropriate.

but alas, with something free you usually have to take what you get.

Unless you stand up to it. Which one person did and got savaged. If Bullets ends up like this... I'm outta here.

SO... calling him stupid is a bit much I think, abusing his "power"? Yes.

Nah, he's stupid as well. OK, how about ignorant as a compromise?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2005, 14:45

Mordib wrote:err, to do with the racist claim bit, unfortunately it does class as racist simply due to the repeated use of the phrase 'black african'. most africans are black, just describing someone as 'african' would have made the point perfectly well (if not better), the use of the extra word merely emphaisizes the point in a racial way. also the statements

I took that on board... BUT I think the reason Freak made that emphasis was to quell the notion that WHITES are the only ones to blame for Africas problems and that it's only BLACKS that are victims. A theory that a lot of otherwise intelligent people subscribe to. If the posters had taken to time to read between the lines in Freak's admittedly coursely delivered rant they might have got what he was saying. I can't call into question the figures Freak uses because I don't know where he got them. But despite Geldof's probable lies about LiveAid's distribution of charity it's a fact that a lot of the money was snapped up by BLACK dictators who stole from their own people to finance coups and lavish lifestyles. The first step to getting Africa free of poverty is to remove the dictators - something which only African nations can do - and rid the spread of sexually transmitted diseases encouraged by the offensive anti-contraception stance of the Catholic Church.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Jul 2005, 15:14

I did read the petition before I signed it

I took closing the forums (except one, strangely the Movie/TV forum is still open there) to mean "We want to try to get as many signatures as poss and do our bit"

I dont have a problem with that TBH if thats what they mean.
There are other forums I can go to in the meantime.

Did 27m who texted in on the day odf Live 8 read it?

Of course leaders make decisions, not pop stars but Geldof and co do what they do because they think its' a way of drumming up public support for the cause and therefore bringing it to the leader's attention and putting pressure on them to something. (I guess)

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2005, 18:18

grim_tales wrote:I did read the petition before I signed it

As long as you agreed with it there's nothing wrong in signing. But I suspect most just did it to get the forums back open.

I took closing the forums (except one, strangely the Movie/TV forum is still open there) to mean "We want to try to get as many signatures as poss and do our bit" I dont have a problem with that TBH if thats what they mean.

I can't agree with that.

There are other forums I can go to in the meantime.

Of course. But that's really missing the point.

Did 27m who texted in on the day odf Live 8 read it?

They just wanted free tickets for a pop concert. Call me cynical but I don't believe in all this goodwill as human nature crap. Most people are selfish bastards and wouldn't cross the road to help an African lying in the street with his belly swollen. But have some half-assed popstars prance about on stage and bellow false platitudes (even better if they swear!!) and they'll come-a-runnin'!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Jul 2005, 18:51

You cynic you

Yea possibly (some but not all forums are open now)

The 27m refers to the number of people who texted Live 8 on the day to pledge support, not the number of people who entered the compo for tickets.
Of course some people are selfish I just believe its wrong to suggest that of the majority

Thats' a bit bitter, didnt you watch some of it (Live8) on TV? I enjoyed it

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2005, 19:07

I agree with you Mark and 42ndStreetFreak bar the racist undertone which his post does have.

I wouldn't dare try that here

(joke).

p.s - Or want to.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2005, 19:13

I didn't bother but if I had I would've texted to get a free concert (as I also believe most people did). For two reasons really:

A: I honestly don't believe we as in the general public in the Western world can do a lot
B: A part of me can't help feeling it's not my problem. By that I mean we can't keep giving money FOREVER.

The fact is if we as in Britain was suddenly hit by a Tsunami we would get zero help from Africa and virtually no help from Asia. That is fact (as far as I'm concerned). It's very one sided.

But despite Geldof's probable lies about LiveAid's distribution of charity it's a fact that a lot of the money was snapped up by BLACK dictators who stole from their own people to finance coups and lavish lifestyles.

If they were white they'd be exactly the same. It's the system they live around.

The first step to getting Africa free of poverty is to remove the dictators - something which only African nations can do - and rid the spread of sexually transmitted diseases encouraged by the offensive anti-contraception stance of the Catholic Church.

I couldn't agree more here and it saddens me more people don't see it.

I saw a documentary on aids in Africa and it really shocked and scared me how against the Catholic Church church are about condoms not because you're a sinner if you use one (although I could believe this) but because to give them out would in their minds mean they agree with sex before marriage.

They do give out HIV/AIDS advice and medicine though which makes so little sense.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Jul 2005, 19:16

I think the money from the text competition helped fund the concert. The stars weren't paid, but I did hear they got a £1000 goodie bag or something at the end.

If thats true than that cheapens the whole thing IMO. (makes a mockery of it I mean).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2005, 19:23

The stupid thing is The Rewind Forums is a place to discuss DVDs regions, compare which is best, discuss what DVDs are cut (which is somewhat dubious at times. They agree when the BBFC cuts films but turn a blind eye to the MPAA cutting films).

It's not a place to show a political agenda. It could be but the sub-forum in question is so well hidden amongst the DVD sub=forums.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Jul 2005, 19:35

According to Geldof (I think it was in a Radio times article), hunger kills more people in Africa than HIV/AIDS and TB combined.
I agree though Brad surely there wouldn't be so much disease/population problems if people used condoms to protect themselves. Its' ridiculous.