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HungFist wrote:Japanese girls are very submissive. It's because traditionally they've been in a very inequal position - and they still are - so they've come to accept it. Many of them can't even imagine any other way, and some are completely helpless alone. And many of them still take it as a "fact of life" that their boyfriends or husbands will cheat on them at some point and they should just forgive them cause it can't be helped. I've been telling many girls to respect themselves more and not take all that shit from the guys...
Yeah... This side of the coin is very sad, I think. Another thing also, I've heard single women in their 40's can get judged by people in Japanese society for being single, as women are mostly expected to be married when they are at that age. People wonder what the reason behind them not being married is, and make false assumptions which creates a social stigma that makes it harder for some single women in their 40's to get work. I know of a person who is in such a position.
HungFist wrote:Of course, the coin always has two sides, and I really like the other side: Japanese girls are very polite, modest and shy in a cute way. And cuteness is the greatest thing it the world! I love strong, cool kick-ass girls in movies, but in real life I could never have imagined myself dating one (if you get what I mean).


I feel you on this. I agree, these qualities you mention are beautiful female traits - and I think being modest, polite and sensitive, are strong qualities in a person to be cherished.
HungFist wrote:...My dream girls (right after my girlfriend who is cuter than any of them)...
Aw, that's cute. :)
HungFist wrote:That being said I have absolutely no problem with other people liking gravure idols. Just not exactly my thing because they fall somewhere between my interests.
Yeah, I am not like super into the Gravure Model thing. I just think Yukie Kawamura is a beautiful woman and a photogenic Mumin Troll. :)

I don't really have a preference (in lack of a better word) when it comes to women. I like all kinds of girls. I always had a crush on Meiko Kaji - but she is just waaayyy too classy for me. Yeah, Meiko Kaji carried herself with professional integrity, and she elevated a lot of B-movies with her acting presence. That movie, 'Blind Woman's Curse', during that final showdown - maaan, she is too pretty. And I don't mean this in a sexist, degrading kind of a way - I am just saying, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging a woman's beauty, as long as it doesn't demean her stoic character. That battle between the 2 women, with the backdrop in the background, is well made, in my opinion. Kaji Meiko is one my favorites!
HungFist wrote:AV isn't my thing either, but if we extend the question to movies, I don't have a problem with the treatment of women in Japanese cinema. Of course I'm a bit worried that if some dumbasses are actually infuenced by that, but as for me personally, I don't see any difference between Road Runner and violet pink films like Rape! 13th Hour. Both are equally ridiculous fantasy to me, and I enjoy their political incorrectness. But I do know many other people do see a difference between Rape! 13th Hour and Tom and Jerry. I don't.
It's true, many of those movies are often exaggerated and stylized. It's a very Japanese trait, I think, this stylized excess - like the aesthetic of paintings brought to film. Do you know of that Tsukioka Yoshitoshi painting? It looks like this, and depicts some sort of violence against a woman, it seems.

I guess it's honor culture related, somehow. I should be careful here, as I am not an expert on this at all... Edit: Yes, I am definitely not an expert here. Will dive into this deeper...

It is a painting from the 19th century, after all... But this excessive style... I haven't gotten into it, but it's true that even in modern Japan, this aesthetic is still more or less present, in various forms. Same with movies that draw visuals from manga, like Lone Wolf & Cub, Hanzo the Razor, etc. etc. The movies seems to still draw upon these cultural artifacts.
HungFist wrote:Moving on to AV, it's really surprisingly mainstream in Japan. You just gave a perfect example with Sora Aoi, but she's not the only one. Mihiro is another good example. She released a top selling book about her life, which was adapted into a pretty good theatrical mainstream movie "Nude".

This year at the Yubari International Fantastic Film Festival three former or current AV stars were directly or indirectly competing for the best movie of the year award... Maki Mizui as a director for her abduction drama Kept (based on her own life), Asami as an actress for Gun Woman (for which she was also awarded as the best actress), and Shoko Akiyama as an actress for the awesome indie comedy Fuck Me to the Moon. Although Yubari isn't exactly a mainstream film fest, it does give good indication how promiment AV stars have become in Japanese genre cinema and even indie dramas.

There's lot of other examples, too. Mihiro was also in Yu Irie's past Yubari Winner Saitama Rappers. Aino Kishi was first in the splatter film Samurai Princess, in which she was terrible, but then she took everyone by a surprise with an excellent performance in the indie drama comedy Rubbers, in which she stars with Hiroshi Yamamoto.
Thanks for the tips. I might look into this.
HungFist wrote:Actual AV has also become quite mainstream. If you go to any Tsutaya (Japan's biggest video rental store chain) they'll have an AV section bigger than most people's apartment... People aren't especially ashamed to go there either, and people in general (girls also) seem to think that "of course guys watch AV". Well, I guess most guys everywhere do watch AV, but here it's much more openly acknowledged. Also, if you go to shops in Akihabara in Tokyo, typically the first floor is video games, the next two are manga, then comes one floor for movies, and then is two floors full of AV. Or if it's just a small store they'll certainly have an AV section + plenty of idol videos (including junior idols...)
Yeah, I've read this stuff is a part of the daily fare. I understand that sex shops are more in the open in Japan, as opposed to, say, America, where you have to go to the "Shady" neighborhood to get 'em. I mean this more as an expression, as most people probably get their stuff online these days...

Edit: That Yoshitoshi painting is a depiction of a women being murdered. Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzan-e

Man, I am so out of it right now, lol... Must be the lack of sleep, because I surely don't do any drugs...
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@ Heka

Just want to say thanks again, for bringing Megumi Fujii to my attention! I see now she is standing in the corner of Ayaka Hamasaki! I totally missed this, in that Ham Seo Hee vs Hamasaki match! Gosh...

Man, I spent the night watching Megumi Fujii videos, and she is really great! Really an incredible fighter! Amazing technique! So dedicated! And she seems like a good person, too!

So, thanks for your insight.
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What!? Japanese AV is awesome If one just manages to find a flick where the girl doesn't sound like a pig being slaughtered. It's also worth to note that in places like modern Japan, almost all the people appearing in AV are professionals who know what they are doing. In Japan people tend to view every job as a equal in a way. Meaning if something is your job you try to do it as nicely as possible.

VICE has a few good videos about the AV industry:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLyheH- ... 5lRoJF79qE
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLyheH- ... rNAPBnR1Dw

As for normal girls in Japan, they are very sweet. They are also a lot less judgemental regarding the "urges" of men as Hung pointed out. I assume your a white westerner like I and Hung, this means if you ever get together with a native Asian girl you will be held to different standards than a local guy would be.

I now live in Vietnam which is a whole nother beast altogether. I have stories half of which you guys wouldn't even believe. Here the girls are vicious and porn is non existent because a whore costs 5 euros so why bother fapping because the real thing is so easy to obtain. Some younger guys watch Japanese porn and Maria Ozawa seems to be the favorite actress around here.

Megumi sure is amazing. Now that the UFC is about to open a 115 pound female division we will see more Japanese talent in the big arenas.
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I don't know much about paintings, but the man-woman power relationship is quite an interesting topic. Despite Japanese women still being quite "weak" in general, women are getting stronger, and men are getting weaker. More men are now turning otaku, while more women are finding social life outside the kitchen. This has left some men with their "man's honour" in trouble. They don't feel like they are in control anymore, yet they feel social pressure that they should be in control.

This may be one of the reasons for the Japanese lolicon festish. Japanese men used to love OL's, then it became high school girls, now we're talking about junior high school girls. The guys are (perhaps) developing affection for younger and younger girls because they can't feel they are in control with women of their own age... or even high school girls these days.

The funny (read: sad) thing is many Japanese adult women are in fact jealous of high school and junior high school girls because they get all the attention and have the youthful looks that adults can't match.

But I must note again that while there are all these problems related to lolicon, most of the Japanese cultural affection with high school girls or school uniform is not of sexual nature. I hate it when some Western people always start seeing red when there's a Japanese movie that features high school girls. It's not automatically a lolicon thing. Most of the time its not. It just happens it's a very convenient and often beautiful dress worn by millions of people almost every day, that has become a prominent part of Japanese pop-culture in the same way as ninjas and samurai, and that many people relate nostalgic memories to.
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HungFist wrote:I don't know much about paintings...
No, I just meant that the Yoshitoshi painting, when I saw it, immediately got me to associate it with the Pink movies and that excessive, stylized aesthetic. It's true, too. Wikipedia article does say:

Although most of the works are solely violent by nature, it is perhaps the first known example of ero guro or the erotic grotesque in Japanese culture, an art sub-genre which depicts either erotic or extreme images of violence and mutilation. The Muzan-e has influenced many modern day art formats and ero guro can be found in manga with the works of Suehiro Maruo, Shintaro Kago or Toshio Maeda; in many live action films such as the pink film movement and most of the works of director Takashi Miike and even non-Japanese artists such as Trevor Brown.

And, the influence in manga is there, as well. So, Yoshitoshi's wood paintings, I think, epitomize that stylized, excessive Japanese aesthetic which we see in many of our favorite genre movies, to this day. But, they also depict that aspect of Japanese culture, which still manifests itself in various ways around the country. I meant to say that all these things came to my mind, upon seeing some samples of Yoshitoshi's art.
Heka wrote:As for normal girls in Japan, they are very sweet. They are also a lot less judgemental regarding the "urges" of men as Hung pointed out. I assume your a white westerner like I and Hung...
Yeah, I am a total whiteboy.
Heka wrote:...this means if you ever get together with a native Asian girl you will be held to different standards than a local guy would be.
Really? How do you mean?
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Tenchu1998 wrote:Really? How do you mean?
In almost every Asian cultures (East and South East Asia) the man has the final say on things. Women also know that many Asian guys will get physical if they run their mouth at them too much. This is less true in modern Japan but here in south east Asia a girl trying to pull some Scandinavian feminism shit will get the shit slapped out of her. Western guys are thought of as soft and polite. The Asians are also very into stereotypes. This means that the girls also expect that you will have all the positive traits of a westerner (taking care of the kids and the house, sweet and reliable) and non of the negative ones of the Asians (bossy, screwing other girls and lazy).

It's sad that a lot of dumb westerners try to "catch" an Asian girlfriend or wife in the hopes of getting a magical partner who will tolerate all the goofy shit the guy does and then on top that cook, clean and suck your dick without question. The truth is that being with a Asian girl is as much work as with a westerner or any girl for that matter. People are people everywhere.
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Seconded. Also in Japan Western boyfriends are kept in high regard by many. And I can see why. I don't think Japanese guys in general treat girls well. Like Heka said, they are bossy, many of them cheat and almost all of them do things that are borderline cheating, like going to kyabakura. Kyabakura are clubs where you drink and talk with girls who are working there - and get to touch their boobs a little bit. It's very common in business world as after-work socialization with colleagues and bosses (and even many who don't like it find it impossible to refuse the invitation). It's also common among guys in general - I get invited to kyabakura all the time but I always refuse. I have a girlfriend already. But so do they...

Of course there are good Japanese guys too, and there are bad Western guys too, so that's just a generalization. But I think it's an accurate generalization.
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Heka wrote: In almost every Asian cultures (East and South East Asia) the man has the final say on things. Women also know that many Asian guys will get physical if they run their mouth at them too much. This is less true in modern Japan but here in south east Asia a girl trying to pull some Scandinavian feminism shit will get the shit slapped out of her. Western guys are thought of as soft and polite. The Asians are also very into stereotypes. This means that the girls also expect that you will have all the positive traits of a westerner (taking care of the kids and the house, sweet and reliable) and non of the negative ones of the Asians (bossy, screwing other girls and lazy).
This is interesting, because I keep hearing/reading different opinions on this all the time. Like, people say how the women in, for example, Hong Kong usually bosses the guys around in modest peoples' relationships. I remember watching 'City on Fire' with the commentary track, and Bey Logan talking about how the women would have framed pictures of themselves hanging on walls in the apartment, and boss the guys around all the time, as depicted in the movie. But, that's just Hong Kong. Although, of course, Hong Kong is Hong Kong... It's not Japan, or Vietnam... Of course... I don't know... Maybe there are studies out to confirm and disconfirm some of this stuff. We generalize a lot, all the time, though. I guess generalization helps to simply things sometimes, so to narrow things into perspective and stay in some sort of focus.
Heka wrote:People are people everywhere.
Yeah.
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Tenchu1998 wrote: This is interesting, because I keep hearing/reading different opinions on this all the time. Like, people say how the women in, for example, Hong Kong usually bosses the guys around in modest peoples' relationships. I remember watching 'City on Fire' with the commentary track, and Bey Logan talking about how the women would have framed pictures of themselves hanging on walls in the apartment, and boss the guys around all the time, as depicted in the movie. But, that's just Hong Kong. Although, of course, Hong Kong is Hong Kong... It's not Japan, or Vietnam... Of course... I don't know... Maybe there are studies out to confirm and disconfirm some of this stuff. We generalize a lot, all the time, though. I guess generalization helps to simply things sometimes, so to narrow things into perspective and stay in some sort of focus.
Well, it's certainly true for Japan (although it should be noted Japanese women have notable power within the house in some things, e.g. they have traditionally been in control of the family budget). I'm also sure Heka is right about Vietnam - I had the same impression of Vietnam already years ago based on my Vietnamese friends.

But yeah, it's not true to all Asian countries. I keep hearning South Korean women tend to be very strong. My gf was close friends with two Korean girls and she was constantly shocked by how direct, demanding and "aggressive" they could be with guys.
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So, can I ask you about your exchange?

Is there any specific advantage in studying as an exchange student in Japan? I mean, apart from the excitement of getting to live in, and explore another country - on a academic level, what differs from, say, studying in Finland? And, what kind of new doors do you think having been to Japan can open for you in your later, professional life?

How do you balance your passionate hobby for movies with your more business-oriented studies?
Do you think getting a degree in something business oriented could get you to work with, say, movie companies? Maybe you could work in that industry on a business level, do something for the companies somehow?

Also... Are you learning to speak Japanese fluently? If not, is that a challenge you consider to invest most of your energy into in a later period of your life?

I know... Loads of questions... But, admit it! It's quite flattering to have someone being so curious about one's life, right? :)
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Tenchu1998 wrote:So, can I ask you about your exchange?
Exchange was actually 4 years ago. Now I'm full time student in Japan.
Tenchu1998 wrote:Is there any specific advantage in studying as an exchange student in Japan? I mean, apart from the excitement of getting to live in, and explore another country - on a academic level, what differs from, say, studying in Finland?
The difference is that in Japan I get lower quality education and have to pay for it :lol:
Tenchu1998 wrote:And, what kind of new doors do you think having been to Japan can open for you in your later, professional life?
Aside "international experience" the only real advantage is that you learn how things are done in Japan. That's a great advantage if you intend to create a career in/somehow related to Japan.
Tenchu1998 wrote:How do you balance your passionate hobby for movies with your more business-oriented studies?
I don't :lol:
Tenchu1998 wrote:Do you think getting a degree in something business oriented could get you to work with, say, movie companies? Maybe you could work in that industry on a business level, do something for the companies somehow?
I wouldn't mind working for movie companies, but that's not necessarily my first option. The money is in the (dull mainstream) films I couldn't care less about, while the interesting films are usually not very commercial.
Tenchu1998 wrote:Also... Are you learning to speak Japanese fluently? If not, is that a challenge you consider to invest most of your energy into in a later period of your life?
Learning, yes. I wish I could speak better Japanese already, though. And yes, I certainly do intend to become more fluent.
Tenchu1998 wrote:I know... Loads of questions... But, admit it! It's quite flattering to have someone being so curious about one's life, right? :)
Hah, yes. Feel free to ask as many questions as you like :)
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HungFist wrote:The difference is that in Japan I get lower quality education and have to pay for it :lol:
So..., if I am not being rude asking: How do you make a living in Japan and pay for it, then?
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Tenchu1998 wrote:
HungFist wrote:So..., if I am not being rude asking: How do you make a living in Japan and pay for it, then?
Hung works as a part-time gigolo for old ladies.
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Markgway wrote:
Tenchu1998 wrote:
HungFist wrote:So..., if I am not being rude asking: How do you make a living in Japan and pay for it, then?
Hung works as a part-time gigolo for old ladies.
No, I work as a pimp. I provide old men with fresh girls.

Scholarship also helps ;)
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Teach yourself Japanese Accent - From Matrix
http://youtu.be/TwlaG_rOoaM

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"Why keepu figh-tingu?"
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Just add 'ooh' to the end of every sentence.

E.g. justooh addooh ooh tooh theooh endooh ofooh everyooh sentenceooh!
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Taken from Miho Hatori's Instagram:
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Shinjuku. This is where a lot of the Yakuza also make their revenue, no? $$$

I understand that Tokyo is quite the vibrant city, and that there is also a constant buzz caused by its electric pulse. Bzzz.
I will admit, I do like big cities. But only for a while. I get exhausted by having to make my way through crowds of people, and by all the lights and the heavy traffic. Not to mention stores, neon lights and billboard signs, constantly shining in your face at night. But, I do get my urban romanticism on, sometimes, and adventurously stroll around by foot and explore. Gotta save up some money and go to Japan, some day.

I know that you don't live in Tokyo, though, if I haven't missed anything now... Just thought it was a nice picture, upon seeing it.
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So, does your girlfriend share your passion for those Japanese movies? Do you watch movies together? If so, then what kinds?
What does your girlfriend think of your passion for Japanese movies?
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Tenchu1998 wrote:Taken from Miho Hatori's Instagram:
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Shinjuku. This is where a lot of the Yakuza also make their revenue, no? $$$

I understand that Tokyo is quite the vibrant city, and that there is also a constant buzz caused by its electric pulse. Bzzz.
I will admit, I do like big cities. But only for a while. I get exhausted by having to make my way through crowds of people, and by all the lights and the heavy traffic. Not to mention stores, neon lights and billboard signs, constantly shining in your face at night. But, I do get my urban romanticism on, sometimes, and adventurously stroll around by foot and explore. Gotta save up some money and go to Japan, some day.

I know that you don't live in Tokyo, though, if I haven't missed anything now... Just thought it was a nice picture, upon seeing it.
Yeah, that’s probably Kabukicho (or the area in front of the station). Go there and a local old yakuza may come to you speaking in broken English “what do you want? Girls? Gambling? I can get you anything you want.”. Been there, heard that :icon_suspect:

Although the far more likely scenario is that those irritating African guys working for (yakuza owned) hostess clubs come to you trying to get you to enter those clubs. They’ll leave you alone if you’re with a girl, but if you there alone I recommend walking fast and trying to avoid them. The place is nevertheless worth walking through, as it does have a very peculiar atmosphere and visual look with all the neon lights.

There are more than a thousand yakuza operating in that small district, but it’s perfectly safe to walk through even though there’s no sight of a police. Yakuza don’t mug or rob ordinary visitors or tourists. They’re running movie theatres, clubs and restaurants. It’s in their interest that ordinary people feel (and are) safe and continue to come there. Of course, if you start doing business with them, or you happen to be a rich businessman getting too drunk on their club you may end up in some trouble, but otherwise that’s very unlikely.

Tokyo is too big (and hot) for my liking as well, but I love to visit there often because of all the movies and other events.
Tenchu1998 wrote:So, does your girlfriend share your passion for those Japanese movies? Do you watch movies together? If so, then what kinds?
What does your girlfriend think of your passion for Japanese movies?
We watch movies together… like Titanic :lol:

Actually the first film I took her to was Shutter Island four years ago. I didn’t know it was a horror movie, I just knew she liked Leo. And then just before the film she told me she gets nightmares from horror movies. After the film I thought she’d never talk to me again.

However, the next time we were in movies it was Titanic 3D two years later. Our first official date movie. Again a Leo film, by coincidence. Of course, we also went to see The Wolf of Wall Street when it opened.

She has mainstream taste in movies, so I haven’t even tried to show her any odd stuff. That’s just fine for me, I’ve watched movies alone all my life and I don’t see any problem continuing that. Movies are my thing, dance is her. That being said, I’ve been taking her to a morning show every now and then to see some classics… The Great Escape, Vertigo, Psycho… next one will probably be Rear Window. She liked them all, and after The Great Escape she said my father looks like Charles Bronson. That was so cool!!!! :clap:

Just a few days ago I asked her help for understanding something. I had watched Aru ho mori no naka. I could follow the film quite well, but I didn’t understand how the schoolgirl managed to take off her explosive pants put on by the yellow bear who came from outer space with a space ship the conquer the earth (sorry, I just had to put plot synopsis there :lol: ). Unfortunately I didn’t quite know where in the film the clue would be so I ended up showing her bits and pieces around the film. In the end, we couldn’t figure it out, and I felt really otaku for showing her all that stuff :oops: :lol:

Thankfully, she thinks I’m a cool otaku. I think she’s equally amused me being a Finnish JP-film otaku, and by the devotion I put into it (not just by watching tons of strange movies, but going to festivals, harassing directors, catching 35mm prints around the country, and writing articles for a Finnish web magazine etc.). So, thankfully, she’s cool with that.

Actually, I like to call myself a part-time otaku. I’m certainly an otaku by heart, but unlike full time otakus, I actually put films on second priority and would rather go out with her, travel with her, go to love hotel, buy her flowers, etc. I can watch odd movies alone when she’s having her dance practice :)
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Guys are better company for cool movies anyways :D .

Some of the films I have enjoyed with Hung didn't go over so well with my girlfriend. The latest movie I went to see in a theater with my girlfriend was a Korean drama with Vietnamese subtitles.

Tokyo is probably my favorite city. If only the prices were cheaper and getting to places wouldn't take so long. Tokyo of course suffers from the same thing most capitals do, people tend to be less warm and more self centered. Nonetheless it's awesome to know that your standing In a city where one can do almost anything when in Tokyo.
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Heka wrote:The latest movie I went to see in a theater with my girlfriend was a Korean drama with Vietnamese subtitles.
Do you remember the name of this movie?
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HungFist wrote:She has mainstream taste in movies...
There is a pretty wide selection of movies that is in the mainstream. Much to choose from, if you care to spend time watching movies. Of course, everybody prioritize differently.
HungFist wrote:That’s just fine for me, I’ve watched movies alone all my life and I don’t see any problem continuing that. Movies are my thing, dance is her. That being said, I’ve been taking her to a morning show every now and then to see some classics… The Great Escape, Vertigo, Psycho… next one will probably be Rear Window. She liked them all, and after The Great Escape she said my father looks like Charles Bronson. That was so cool!!!! :clap:
Yeah, this does sound pretty sweet to me. It seems like it's great being in love and doing stuff together.
HungFist wrote:Just a few days ago I asked her help for understanding something...
Can you ask her what this Japanese Commercial is about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1cufU0D034
HungFist wrote:her dance practice
What kind of dancing does she practice?
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Tenchu1998 wrote:Do you remember the name of this movie?
The otokke mulla irokke experience.

No, seriously it was "miracle in cell no. 7" . It looked decent though super predictable like 99% of Korean dramas.
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