HungFist wrote:Now, this makes no sense at all. You say that it's understandable that people who speak Italian would prefer to watch these movies in the wrong language, but people who speak English would always prefer to watch them in the correct language. Italians stupid or what? Or is it, after all, that you do actually prefer audio over subtitles, and this factor affects on your preference* for English audio (aka your native language)?
I don't have much clue what you're talking about. But I'll take a stab at answering regardless...
I prefer to watch movies in Original language with English subtitles. In the case of A Better Tomorrow that would be Cantonese. For Argento films that would be English so I've no need for subs. Many filmgoers prefer to watch films in their own language even if that means dubbing - obviously I'm not one of them. Therefore an English speaker may want to see an English dubbed version of A Better Tomorrow and an Italian might want to see an Italian dubbed version of Tenebre. These fans don't care what the original language is. However -- what I've rarely heard of is an English native who doesn't speak Italian wanting to watch an English language film
in Italian. It makes no sense whatsoever. I don't think I can be any clearer than that.
Yes, but I believe everyone in Rush Hour 2 actually spoke English, spoke their own lines, and if I'm not completely mistaken, the film even played in English in it's native country.
The majority of the cast in Argento films spoke English (the ones who didn't were in the minority). The films were shot silent (ala Hong Kong) and so professional dubbers were used to get rid of those pesky Italian accents. This is what gives them a stilted quality. Italian dubs were created in the studio at the same time exclusively for local audiences because the producers cared about this market not because the Italian language was more important to the film. Take Suspiria - Jesscia Harper, Joan Bennett, and Alida Valli all spoke English and dubbed their own voices (some scenes were actually shot sync). Why would you possibly want to see it in Italian? Answers on a postcard... I don't know how Rush Hour 2 played in HK but it was probably English with Chinese subs.
My comparisons are not the best, but yours are seriously far off.
At least I'm trying to find genuine examples rather than making up rubbish about John Woo dubbing Cantonese into Mandarin(!)
Again, Who Am I probably played in English in HK, but in case it played in Cantonese, then the comparison would be accurate.
I think it played primarily in English with the Tribal scenes (oddly) redubbed into Cantonese.
I'm discussing from a neutral perspective here.
Nothing wrong with a bit of devil's advocate but I'm doing my best to explain here and it's not working... lol
The reason why I always get into this discussion with you is that, no matter if it's dubs or movie violence, you have a habit of considering your personal opinion the general truth, and deny all other views or call them wrong, even declare other people violent maniacs just because their opinions of movies differ from yours.
My opinions are true to me. Just as yours are to you. If I didn't believe in what I was saying why would I say it? If Podboy wants to watch Argento in Italian he can go right ahead. I'm just explaining why I think he's wrong to do so. Actually in this case - unlike the more subjective case of torture porn - I'm dealing with facts. It's not my opinion about what language these films were shot in. It's fact. You can either choose to believe me or think I'm lying - there's only so much I can say. If you're unsure do your own research.
Speaking of movie violence, I finally did watch
Grotesque tonight and will be writing my review as soon as I find time.
Rather you than me.
