Goldeneye: R1 SE vs. R1 UE

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Goldeneye: R1 SE vs. R1 UE

Unread post by captainjoe » 13 Dec 2006, 02:36

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The Ultimate Edition of Goldeneye is a disappointment. While the picture definition and overall appearance is improved, the
entire film has been cropped. There still has not been an official statment as to why this happened so we can only assume
this was a mistake. One possibility that some have pointed out at the HTF is that MGM could've used a print that was intended
to later be pan and scanned for home video and TV broadcasts. Evidence for this is the placement of the titles during the title
sequence. Capture 5 clearly shows that the titles are of a different font and placed on the screen differently for later
panning and scanning. This is a disappointment.
Other than that the picture quality is improved with a better grain structure, a sharper, more defined image with strong
colours. Dirt and lines are non-existant, as with other UEs. I can still recommend this UE disc because of the better overall
picture stability and appearance.

Recommended:
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Unread post by EvaUnit02 » 13 Dec 2006, 02:37

FUCK, the UE is still heavily cropped.

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Unread post by Markgway » 13 Dec 2006, 05:31

Whomever supervised the framing on that restoration should be booted in the balls until Xmas. What a gigantic fuck-up from a major studio. Yes, the image quality is better; of course, because the SE wasn't that great (too orange and edge-enchanced), but at least it contains ALL the relevant visual information. The fact that this glaring error hasn't been corrected suggests it was done at an early stage and perhaps CAN'T be corrected? It's even worse than A View to a Kill. Of all the films to screw-up they picked a fan favourite. Would anyone have bothered if this was Moonraker? As imperfect as it is I'm keeping my SE. I feel sorry for anyone who got rid on the assumption that it would become obsolete.
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Unread post by Markgway » 13 Dec 2006, 05:41

This image I've created gives a rough idea of what's been cropped.

It's not great but it makes the point.

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Unread post by gasteropod » 13 Dec 2006, 06:53

It's disgusting.

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Unread post by grim_tales » 13 Dec 2006, 09:54

The cropping is pretty bad.

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Unread post by BiscLimpkit » 13 Dec 2006, 10:24

It's fuck ups like these that make me lose my stiffy for a fortnight. :x
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Unread post by gasteropod » 13 Dec 2006, 10:24

It's not just the cropping, though. The picture looks like shit.

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Unread post by chenlung » 13 Dec 2006, 16:53

UE wins for it's cropped and darker image :( .
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Unread post by captainjoe » 13 Dec 2006, 17:34

Why do things like this pass QC??? Don't they see the mistake and correct it?
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Unread post by captainjoe » 13 Dec 2006, 17:40

chenlung wrote:UE wins for it's cropped and darker image :( .
Don't get the idea that I'm in favor of the cropping. But the print has more depth to it. Also there's less EE and compression artefacts. The cropping was a bad move though. I didn't make that clear in my comparison.

Thanks for posting that cap with the cropping comparison. I was thinking of doing that myself.
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Unread post by Markgway » 13 Dec 2006, 18:36

Apart from the cropping I have to say I do prefer the UE image. So I know what Joe means.

Any chance you can do Tomorrow Never Dies next? :D
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Unread post by captainjoe » 13 Dec 2006, 18:42

Just added it. :mrgreen:
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Unread post by bradavon » 13 Dec 2006, 19:42

The UE is awfully cropped (it even bothers me) and looks awful too boot. The SE is sharper.
Markgway wrote:This image I've created gives a rough idea of what's been cropped.
Impressive how did you do that?

Thanks a bunch CJ.

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Unread post by Markgway » 13 Dec 2006, 21:52

bradavon wrote:
Markgway wrote:This image I've created gives a rough idea of what's been cropped.
Impressive how did you do that?
I just matched up the images and stretched red lines across the SE. It's not 100% accurate to the pixel but it gives a very good idea of what's missing.
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Unread post by Shaken, Not Stirred » 13 Dec 2006, 22:07

Hmm yeah the cropping sucks, but overall the UE is better.
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Unread post by bradavon » 13 Dec 2006, 22:13

The cropping looks extreme to me, meaning overall I don't see how it can be better (IMO).

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Unread post by Markgway » 13 Dec 2006, 22:20

We mean what's there is better, lol.
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Unread post by bradavon » 13 Dec 2006, 23:12

I know??? Same when I overall the SE looks better. The UE still can't overall be better (unless you don't mind the cropping) ;)

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Unread post by Markgway » 14 Dec 2006, 01:48

I never said it was better overall.

Just that the quality of image is better on the UE.
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Unread post by Shaken, Not Stirred » 14 Dec 2006, 02:50

Hey Captainjoe, do you think you could do some Live and Let Die
comparisons? :) Thanks again.
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Unread post by IronMonkey » 14 Dec 2006, 12:55

I can assure you the image quality is not better on the UE. I had the R1 SE and sold it on E-Bay in anticipation of this UE release. I really wish I'd kept the old version! It was far better.

The screenshots don't really show the problems with the image (apart from the cropping). Yes, there are less compression artefacts on the UE but the UE suffers from massive amounts of aliasing in just about every scene - it makes the image "shimmer" and is not good at all. It doesn't show up in the screen shots though.

If I could still get hold of a R1 SE I would definately re-buy that one for watching the film. It was far better than this "new" effort. Both The Living Daylights & Licence To Kill have much better UE transfers & they're much older films!
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Unread post by Markgway » 14 Dec 2006, 19:12

Ooh, thanks for that info IM. Some flaws just don't show up on caps which is why it's best to get a second opinion. Luckily I still have my SE. I'd expect you might find some on e-bay from like-minded fans who've sold theirs in anticipation.
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Unread post by bradavon » 14 Dec 2006, 19:14

Me too. Thanks IM.

* There are lots of the R1 SE New or Used here, some ship internationally: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00000K0E5/
* And some here: http://dvd.search.ebay.com/goldeneye_DV ... QsacatZ617

Just tick "Worldwide" on the left and "Show Items" to filter those which ship to the UK.

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Unread post by captainjoe » 14 Dec 2006, 22:52

I never noticed the aliasing in the new transfer... :?
I have to keep an eye out when I watch it next time.
I'll do Live and Let Die tomorrow as I have a lot to do tonight. :D
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