007: Live and Let Die - UK R2 (SE) vs UK R2 (UE)

MLAM · Post by **MLAM** » 22 Jul 2006, 03:02

Thought I'd do this one next as the old DVD suffered from heavy grain and print damage, lets see if the UE fairs better.

R2 SE

R2 UE

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Framing wise there similar enough, the shots dont really do the newer transfer justice though as the new one is far smoother (grain reduction) but as a result certain finer details are possibly lost but overall far better viewing experience as its smooth and clean.

NEW SHOT TO SHOW THE GRAIN REDUCTION ISSUE

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 22 Jul 2006, 03:06

Looks far better. But do I really need an upgrade? I don't know. You have done some great work MLAM, but to be honest none of all the screenshots of the new discs have convinced me to buy the films. The old Bond films should be a bit grainy. They should have dirt and a tiny bit of print damage as well.

I know, I'm mental.

The extras are a good reason to get the discs though when they drop in price. And even then I doubt that I'll upgrade all the films.

HD is very close. The Bond films will very soon be released on HD, trust me. Maybe already when "Casino Royale" is ready for home video release.

MLAM · Post by **MLAM** » 22 Jul 2006, 03:11

thelostdragon wrote:Looks far better. But do I really need an upgrade? I don't know. You have done some great work MLAM, but to be honest none of all the screenshots of the new discs have convinced me to buy the films. The old Bond films should be a bit grainy. They should have dirt and a tiny bit of print damage as well.

I know, I'm mental.

The extras are a good reason to get the discs though when they drop in price. And even then I doubt that I'll upgrade all the films.

HD is very close. The Bond films will very soon be released on HD, trust me. Maybe already when "Casino Royale" is ready for home video release.

Indeed, personally I thnk its a few things if you should (or anyone) upgrade

A)Are you happy with the existing DVD's
B)Can you afford them
C)Is your TV/Home Theatre equipment anygood
D)Do you want more extra's

A big thing is the vastly improved encoding on these new DVD's as the old ones are truly awful at keeping up even on stationary scenes! (Namely Octopussy)

As for HD, it does depend WHEN you are going to upgrade your equipment to HD, but thats not the only issue as Sony will be bringing out Blu-Ray, what will you pick, if you want Bond then you'd have to go Blu-Ray as Sony own MGM.
Agreed that some grain should be left in as its a nature of Film, I normally don't mind a little print damage but after viewing these fully restored Bond's anything else I watch the Print Damage sticks out badly

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 22 Jul 2006, 09:05

The new release seems contrast boosted (?) but a definite improvement.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Jul 2006, 14:55

The UE caps on 1,3,4,9,10 are better.

Not sure about the others.

Less grainy certainly, but artificially brightened and less fine detail.

I've yet to see a UE that improves wholesale on the SE.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 26 Jul 2006, 00:59

The old DVD has it's merits too, appears to be sharper (because of more video noise - including grain mainly) and more colourful but slightly darker.

Has artificial tweaking of the dark frames been applied on the 'RM as JB' frame or is it not the same frame

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Maybe HD will not need any noise reductions due to the higher amount of pixels?

In about 20 years time, I bet all companies will be using the same format as slowly, the differences are being brought together (same resolution for HD but seemingly PAL/NTSC colour signals differ and frame rates). The whole thing is a damned mess.

MLAM · Post by **MLAM** » 26 Jul 2006, 01:28

chenlung wrote:Has artificial tweaking of the dark frames been applied on the 'RM as JB' frame or is it not the same frame ?

Nothing has been done on my part and it is the same frame, well give or take 1 or 2 but not way apart of each other.

FinnurE · Post by **FinnurE** » 30 Sep 2007, 21:47

Damn, does the UE look ugly. The contrast boosting is HIDEOUS, and grain reduction has rendered all the colours blotchy. Yuck!

dvdvision · Post by **dvdvision** » 01 Oct 2007, 14:49

It's obvious the SE was made from either an interneg or film print, the UE, which seems to have been done from a neg (but I would rather think it was from an IP), is badly color timed in some instances, such as the credits sequence. SE may have had edge enhancement, thus making it look sharper. It's true that some of those restorations are a little soft, but my guess is once it's on HD-DVD, it will look good (not on Blue-Ray I hope it's gone by then )

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 01 Oct 2007, 17:44

I don't think the Bond films will be coming to HD DVD will they? I thought they were owned by MGM who are owned by Sony, so BD all the way...

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 01 Oct 2007, 18:09

IronMonkey wrote:I don't think the Bond films will be coming to HD DVD will they? I thought they were owned by MGM who are owned by Sony, so BD all the way...

He knows that, it's just his optimistic wish that Bluray dies.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 01 Oct 2007, 18:31

Blu-Ray is bigger in capacity, why would anyone want HD-DVD? Unless there's something I've not been informed of?

dvdvision · Post by **dvdvision** » 02 Oct 2007, 08:17

No region coding, disc capacity is already growing, lesser priced players, lesser production prices, better encoding (just compare Silent Hill BR with the HD german), and no royalty money given to Sony every time you will buy a DVD-R. In fact, BR was just created by Sony so that they could make more money by supplanting HD-DVD, by having their own specs, players etc... thus ruining the market for the last couple of years, by creating a war that shouldn't have existed.

Imagine if they had created their own Brand of DVDs and DVD players ten years ago, thus resulting in two different versions of SD DVDs... We would probably still be stuck with VHS.

I think I'm more pro HD-DVD, but that is a subject for another thread. 8)

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 02 Oct 2007, 09:40

OK, thanks man

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It was just something brief so that it wasn't a thing of a compatibility issue etc

. At least I'm now aware that HD-DVD can have advantages. I would have thought using VC-1 compression would be best on Blu-Ray because of the bigger space (excluding the region coding which I'm sure you could get past), but...

Agreed, let's not elaborate on it here

. PM me if you ever wished to do so

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