What general film/series have you just seen.. marks out of 5

[gasteropod]

I'm not going to sit back and let you guys criticize Grim when he's the one in the right. You pick on him because he's an easy target. That's not on.

What on Earth are you talking about?

[Markgway]

I'm not going to sit back and let you guys criticize Grim when he's the one in the right. You pick on him because he's an easy target. That's not on.

What on Earth are you talking about?

That was aimed more at Brad... but you backing up his mistake doesn't help.

[gasteropod]

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

[saltysam]

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

Utter bollocks-Brad doesn't get picked on at all,quite often his posts lead to conflict and disagreement,ie this current debate-.fucking hell Gas you sound like a right drama queen with that statement.I'm sure Romero has had stick directed his way over the years as well,most of us probably have at some time or other.

[romerojpg]

I dont get stick, I get shit


but we all come back for more, so we like it really

[gasteropod]

fucking hell Gas you sound like a right drama queen with that statement.

Yet we've just had Markgway saying that Grim is being picked on when he clearly isn't, so he must be even more of a drama queen.

[grim_tales]

It's wrong to call a film truly uncut if its been pre-cut, eg Goldeneye/FRWL etc - it is wrong to label the PG-13/UK 15 rated version of GE as "uncut" when it isn't, we won't see any more complete versions of the Bonds though
I find it interesting how standards change sometimes - I think the early Bonds can be a bit strong for a PG.
From what I remember of Goldeneye it wasnt as violent as Casino Royale.
Isnt Lethal Weapon 2 still cut by the BBFC? Thus the distributors are wrong to call one DVD a Directors Cut.

[bradavon]

Just because there's only one version available of From Russia With Love doesn't automatically mean that version is uncut. That's a plainly ridiculous statement.

Is it? Austin Powers 1 was originally 3 hours before cuts. I suppose that's cut too? There are plenty of films the MPAA have tampered with. We don't all throw teddies out of the pram over those.

Random example, did you know "The Fast and the Furious" (that's part 1) was pre-cut by the MPAA? No one goes around saying that one is cut. What's the difference? It's in the DVD extras btw.

but I'm not going to sit back and let you guys criticize Grim when he's the one in the right. You pick on him because he's an easy target. That's not on.

Actually if you read my posts, you will see I was disagreeing with both of you. I've never "picked" on Grim as you put it, he knows that. What waffle. I was disagreeing with "both of you" for constantly bring up that Bond films are cut, in some sort of illusion they'll ever be any less cut.

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

Thank you.

Utter bollocks-Brad doesn't get picked on at all

As one of the persons whose "picked on Brad" you hardly likely to see it. Of course I've been picked on, many times. I may ask for it "some times" but that doesn't change the fact "Brad's been picked on". So does Romero too though.

most of us probably have at some time or other.

Nah. Romero and I get a lot more than most. Some of it fun, some of it plain vindictive.

Isnt Lethal Weapon 2 still cut by the BBFC? Thus the distributors are wrong to call one DVD a Directors Cut.

For reasons Gasteropod mentioned earlier, that is completely different .

[gasteropod]

Do you feel you were being picked on, Grim?

[bradavon]

If you do, I apologise. I'd never pick on you Grim but I doubt you do because you're an intelligent chap. Something Mark isn't being at the moment.

[gasteropod]

Austin Powers 1 was originally 3 hours before cuts. I suppose that's cut too?

Random example, did you know "The Fast and the Furious" (that's part 1) was pre-cut by the MPAA?

In Austin Powers' case, that's the filmmakers' cuts rather than the censor's, but yeah The Fast and the Furious is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it.

[bradavon]

It's clearly a double standard. When the BBFC enforce cuts it's "cut", whether they're cuts that end up getting released internationally or just domestically.

But if the MPAA enforce cuts, it's considered an "acceptable casualty" of the film making process. It's not just Mark who has this double standard. I've read countless times, the MPAA getting away with it.

I've not once read people getting pissed of The Fast and the Furious is cut but as the BBFC cut Bond, people get pissed. There are plenty of examples where the MPAA have forced the film maker to change their film.

[grim_tales]

I didnt feel that picked on really - Brad is right I do mention it - but only as I'd seen the film then
Austin Powers was 3 hours long?! Bloody hell I never knew that.

[bradavon]

Austin Powers was 3 hours long?! Bloody hell I never knew that.

Only in the sense they filmed footage they later discarded. As happens with most films.

[gasteropod]

Going by Markgway's logic, Total Recall is cut, since the director's cut would have been X-rated.

[grim_tales]

It is, but its the most complete version.

[gasteropod]

Just like From Russia with Love.

[Markgway]

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

Brad doesn't get picked on at all,quite often his posts lead to conflict and disagreement

Brad causes about 85% of the strife on this forum.

Yet we've just had Markgway saying that Grim is being picked on when he clearly isn't, so he must be even more of a drama queen.

Brad is always having a go at Grim over minor things because he knows he can't win an argument with anyone else. Sam, Shingster, etc hand him his balls... Grim just apologises. There was no need to criticize Grim for saying FRWL is cut and incorrectly telling him he was wrong. You know he won't argue. So I did.

It's wrong to call a film truly uncut if its been pre-cut

Exactly. If cuts are made by censors or on behalf of censors then in layman's terms we would describe it as 'cut'.

Isnt Lethal Weapon 2 still cut by the BBFC? Thus the distributors are wrong to call one DVD a Directors Cut.

Yes, it's still cut, but that's only because Warners have yet to release a Blu Ray here.

Austin Powers 1 was originally 3 hours before cuts.

Filmmaker and distributor cuts are entirely different. No one involved in the makiing of AP ever intended to release a 3-hr version.

There are plenty of films the MPAA have tampered with. We don't all throw teddies out of the pram over those.

It's frequently mentioned when films are cut to get an MPAA rating. Obviously you don't pay attention.

Random example, did you know "The Fast and the Furious" (that's part 1) was pre-cut by the MPAA?

Yes.

No one goes around saying that one is cut.

If the subject came up... but just because I haven't mentioned it doesn't mean I think it's uncut. I haven't even seen the damn film.

Going by Markgway's logic, Total Recall is cut, since the director's cut would have been X-rated.

And Markgway would be correct since Paul Verhoeven was forced to make several cuts for an 'R'. That's been mentioned on this forum (and others) numerous times.

[bradavon]

Brad causes about 85% of the strife on this forum.

Why stop at 85%? Go the whole sherbang and make it 100%.

Brad is always having a go at Grim over minor things

Yeah. I know I'm the anti-christ. Who wants to see Grim burn in hell.

because he knows he can't win an argument with anyone else. Sam, Shingster, etc hand him his balls... Grim just apologises. There was no need to criticize Grim for saying FRWL is cut and incorrectly telling him he was wrong. You know he won't argue.

WTF! I'm not allowed to disagree with Grim now, just because he may apologise. That's ridiculous. I disagreed with Grim (and you) because I happen to think he was wrong (and you) but of course I was obviously "picking on him".

Which he hasn't apologised incidentally, he's stuck by what he said originally. Care to belittle him any further? Who are you? His Mother. If you wish to argue with me, do so, don't unfairly bring Grim into the argument. No one was picking on anyone. Well except you.

It's not a case of winning. I've disagreed with Sam, Shingster and in this case I disagreed with Grim (and if you've still not got it, you too). But of course you've decided to ignore the fact I was equally disagreeing with you because it suits your "Grim is being picked on" argument. Which is still bollocks btw.

Exactly. If cuts are made by censors or on behalf of censors then in layman's terms we would describe it as 'cut'.

Hardly. That's picking the word to fit your own description. If we're going to be picky about such things (oh look there's that word again), of which we are. Austin Powers is cut, The Fast and the Furious is cut, Kingdom of Heaven is cut. They all have shorter versions of longer films.

Cut to most people means, a film is cut in one territory and not another (for whatever reason). Not pre-cut and the extra footage will never see the light of day.

If the subject came up... but just because I haven't mentioned it doesn't mean I think it's uncut. I haven't even seen the damn film.

Except it isn't brought up, nor is it brought up for thousand other movies. It's just James bloody Bond you and Grim go on about every few months.

It's frequently mentioned when films are cut to get an MPAA rating. Obviously you don't pay attention.

No they're not. We just harp on about BBFC cuts. Just admit it, you've got double standards when it comes to the BBFC.

I think I'll call you Sheldon from now on. You remind me of him.

[Shingster]

I actually agree with everything brad and gastero are saying in this thread (and that's from someone who can be accused of picking on brad in the past), if critics/fans were to harp on about every American film that has been edited down due to MPAA or studio pressure as "cut" then just about every film with adult themes in it would probably end up getting moaned about!

[saltysam]

The only person that ever gets picked on on this forum is Bradavon.

Thank you.

And yet as recently as 7-10 days ago you Brad,were admonished by our moderator for trolling my posts-pot,kettle,black comes to mind.

[gasteropod]

You can't deny people have taken it too far in the past though with stuff like 'I hope you die a painful death' etc. Let's all stick to playful banter

[Markgway]

Why stop at 85%? Go the whole sherbang and make it 100%.

It was a cautious estimate.

Yeah. I know I'm the anti-christ. Who wants to see Grim burn in hell.

Don't be so melodramatic.

WTF! I'm not allowed to disagree with Grim now, just because he may apologise. That's ridiculous. I disagreed with Grim (and you) because I happen to think he was wrong (and you) but of course I was obviously "picking on him".

Grim's mentioned those cuts before and you've complained about him mentioning it before. What's the difference? You're both repeating yourselves. You then tell him he's wrong... when he's not. So I spoke up.

Which he hasn't apologised incidentally, he's stuck by what he said originally. Care to belittle him any further? Who are you? His Mother. If you wish to argue with me, do so, don't unfairly bring Grim into the argument. No one was picking on anyone. Well except you.

Grim has apologised on many occasions because he doesn't want to upset anyone and you know that perfectly well. Maybe I should step back so he can fight his own battles... I just don't like the way I believe you single him out.

But of course you've decided to ignore the fact I was equally disagreeing with you because it suits your "Grim is being picked on" argument. Which is still bollocks btw.

I didn't step in until after you made your first remarks.

Hardly. That's picking the word to fit your own description. If we're going to be picky about such things (oh look there's that word again), of which we are. Austin Powers is cut, The Fast and the Furious is cut, Kingdom of Heaven is cut. They all have shorter versions of longer films.

It doesn't work like that. Feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall.

Austin Powers is cut only in the USA (PG-13 version). UK version is uncut.
The Fast and the Furious is cut everywhere.
No idea about Kingdom of Heaven.

Cuts are not the same as a film being abridged or edited by a filmmaker or distributor.

Cut to most people means, a film is cut in one territory and not another (for whatever reason). Not pre-cut and the extra footage will never see the light of day.

You don't know that. Total Recall could very well be released uncut someday. If Lionsgate were to bother. The term cut applies to censorship only.

Except it isn't brought up, nor is it brought up for thousand other movies. It's just James bloody Bond you and Grim go on about every few months.

So what's it to you...?

No they're not. We just harp on about BBFC cuts. Just admit it, you've got double standards when it comes to the BBFC.

I don't. Cut is cut.

I think I'll call you Sheldon from now on. You remind me of him.

Who the fuck is Sheldon?

[Markgway]

I actually agree with everything brad and gastero are saying in this thread (and that's from someone who can be accused of picking on brad in the past), if critics/fans were to harp on about every American film that has been edited down due to MPAA or studio pressure as "cut" then just about every film with adult themes in it would probably end up getting moaned about!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC-17_rated_films

That link is full of films 'cut' to obtain an 'R' rating (let's not even get started on PG-13).
Just because many of them haven't been released uncut elsewhere doesn't make them any less cut.
I've only mentioned James Bond in the past because I'm a fan and so many of them have been cut. It's not like I bring it up every few weeks. Backing up Grim is not the same as me reintroducing the subject.
But if you'd prefer for sake of balance I detail the cut status of every film cut on both sides of the atlantic whenever they're mentioned... just let me know.

[grim_tales]

I best watch a film tonight to get back on topic