Die Another Day: R1 UE vs. R1 SE

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Dec 2006, 23:34

Is it still the same rating? If so odd it was cut then.

Dark[Devil] · Post by **Dark[Devil]** » 01 Dec 2006, 23:55

bradavon wrote:Is it still the same rating? If so odd it was cut then.

99.999999% sure it's still PG-13.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Dec 2006, 00:19

I guess Sony convinced the MPAA it's now acceptable to release it uncut at PG-13. I'm not surprised, it's a known the MPAA is run by the big film studios.

It's clear Sony wanted to make sure all Bonds in both The States and UK are now uncut.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Dec 2006, 02:04

I checked the MPAA and both Die Another Day and Licence to Kill were resubmitted this year and retained their ratings despite now being uncut.

There's nothing in the DAD sex scene that ever warranted an 'R' but LTK was, IMO, lucky.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Dec 2006, 09:25

I'll have to check out DAD on your reccomendation Mark, 3/5 (or 3.5/5) is what I would give it.
1st half is great, 2nd half (well the last act really) was arse IMO when I saw it in the cinema, and yes the invisible car was naff.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Dec 2006, 14:24

Well, I just wonder if people who didn't like DAD in the cinema might revise their opinion like I did? Could be one of those films that requires a second chance? My new rule is NEVER to watch a Bond movie less than twice. In fact, if I'm being honest I actually prefer watching movies on DVD these days. The cinema experience I find numbing. I'm sure when I see Casino Royale on disc I'll be even more impressed.

I read reports that the original PG-13 version of DAD cut TWO MINS out of the Bond/Jinx nookie, which is impressive because that's more than the entire scene lasts uncut.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Dec 2006, 15:17

Agreed it started off well but then went quickly very down hill.

At least the over the top nature in Moore films is restrained and more to the point you expect that from Moore Bonds.

Markgway wrote:I checked the MPAA and both Die Another Day and Licence to Kill were resubmitted this year and retained their ratings despite now being uncut.

It makes you wonder why back then they had an issue with DAD. Like I said no doubt Sony "had a word" with them.

Well, I just wonder if people who didn't like DAD in the cinema might revise their opinion like I did? Could be one of those films that requires a second chance?

If you BT me £5.95 I'll happily give it another chance, otherwise no way. The only good bit I remember is Halle bouncing out of the ocean (which in reality has little to do with the Dr. No scene they were trying to emulate).

Otherwise I remember it not being a disaster but do remember it being far from good too.

In fact, if I'm being honest I actually prefer watching movies on DVD these days.

I've heard that before and personally find it hard to work out. It's not just the film but the whole experience to me.

I read reports that the original PG-13 version of DAD cut TWO MINS out of the Bond/Jinx nookie, which is impressive because that's more than the entire scene lasts uncut.

It's a pity the Jinx spin off never came to be, that is as a guilty pleasure.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Dec 2006, 00:37

bradavon wrote:If you BT me £5.95 I'll happily give it another chance, otherwise no way.

Virgin were selling the SE for £2.99 a while back.

I got the R1 UE as part of a box set and am happy with that.

The 70m doc is missing but I can't see myself sitting thru it anyways at it's very likely a promo piece rather than a reflective work that honestly examines the film some years later.

I don't like extras for new films - if you know what I mean?

Otherwise I remember it not being a disaster but do remember it being far from good too.

Well, that's what I thought until a couple of nights ago. But everyone's different. You might feel the same as you did before - or hate it more?

I've heard that before and personally find it hard to work out. It's not just the film but the whole experience to me.

I don't enjoy the cinema expereince anymore. It was great when I was in my teens and I would skip school on Friday afternoon to see the latest releases for £2.50 at my local (often empty) fleapit. But now it's all so homogenized: Charmless multi-plexes with overpriced hotdogs, DD sound that's so bloody loud you jump when someone opens a door, expensive tickets even for matinees. Doesn't help that my nearest screen is miles away and I live in "a city" so it's no longer within walking distance.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 13:51

Virgin were selling the SE for £2.99 a while back.

That is cheap and it's not like the UE is really different but it's still not free

The 70m doc is missing but I can't see myself sitting thru it anyways at it's very likely a promo piece rather than a reflective work that honestly examines the film some years later.

I thought it was on the UE in the end. I guess not. The SE is definitely better then, why remove extras.

I don't like extras for new films - if you know what I mean?

I know exactly what you mean. Documentaries on the real life events of War and Historical films I like but otherwise pah they tend to be boring. For example: Gladiator: EC has hours of documentaries. I've no interest in any of them.

But now it's all so homogenized: Charmless multi-plexes with overpriced hotdogs, DD sound that's so bloody loud you jump when someone opens a door, expensive tickets even for matinees. Doesn't help that my nearest screen is miles away and I live in "a city" so it's no longer within walking distance.

I've heard this before too and simply say you're going to the wrong cinemas.

I very much agree multiplexes are dreadful places, custom built to look shallow and lifeless, with of people who don't go to experience the film but to make lots of noise and act like they're drunken louts in a pub BUT an independent art house cinema is an almost entirely different experience.

When the film starts you don't here a peep from anyone, it's suitably dark (I hate when they leave the semi-lights on multiplexes almost asking people to move around), no kids running around, no one acting like a dick.

You'd think this is because of the older clientèle, which is partly true but even youngsters act responsibility and with manners too. It's a completely different experience.

I HATE having to venture into a multiplex, if I didn't want to see the film straight I wouldn't. I love it when I get to see a film in my local art house cinema. As I know there will be no little tosser talking or someone's mobile going off or worst a couple talking about the events of their day.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Dec 2006, 18:13

bradavon wrote:That is cheap and it's not like the UE is really different but it's still not free

El cheapo.

I've heard this before too and simply say you're going to the wrong cinemas.

There's little alternative for me.

BUT an independent art house cinema is an almost entirely different experience.

We do have an art theatre in town but they show a limited number of films. For example: no Casino Royale, which is why I HAD to go to a multiplex. Not cheap either for a subsidised public building. You still pay near a fiver in the afternoons. I really miss the fleapits that were tiny and grubby and all the staff were over 55.