Terminator 2 SE Cut - EU HD-DVD vs. R1UE DVD

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 10 Jul 2008, 17:36

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 10 Jul 2008, 17:41

Shot 5 and 6 are crackers of a difference. Shame the HD versions a bit compressed in places, but a significant improvment still.

When you say EU HD which country? or are the fench and UK ones the same?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 10 Jul 2008, 17:49

romerojpg wrote:When you say EU HD which country? or are the fench and UK ones the same?

Correct, all the barebones European HD-DVDs should be the exact same disc.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 10 Jul 2008, 17:54

The images choosen to compare the discs are ussually the exact same shots on every forum. Its great to see some new images as really the difference is so much bigger in some of them HD shots. Makes me want to get it right now

as I just sold one of my standard dvds for £9, so that should pay for a nice HD picture.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 10 Jul 2008, 18:00

The obvious biker stunt doubles during the canal chase stand out now more than ever!

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 10 Jul 2008, 18:05

For the 20th anniversary expect CGI face replacement

thats if Jim ever finishes his next film in the next 10 years.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Jul 2008, 18:56

Great captures thanks Eva. I cannot wait to see T2 in HD. I'm still debating whether to get the German UE or forthcoming UK BD.

romerojpg wrote:When you say EU HD which country? or are the fench and UK ones the same?

The German UE HD-DVD from Kinowelt is different (although it's suspected they just tweaked the French Studio Canal master) but the UK HD-DVD is the exact same disc as Disc 2 of the French Studio Canal 2 Disc SE (it's not just the same master it's the actual same disc).

The same goes for the Aussie HD-DVD and many others. I thought you'd know this

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The forthcoming Optimum BD is bound to be the same encode as the HD-DVD too. The spec. is the same and we know the new Rambo discs use the same encode used on the HD-DVD. If you're planning to stay format neutral you can probably pick up the T2 HD-DVD cheaply.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 10 Jul 2008, 18:59

I kind of knew, but its so bloody confusing with so many version of T2 worldwide on HD DVD and Blu Ray.

Yet none have done the film bloody justice still

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Jul 2008, 19:47

What's wrong with the German UE? Except for the price. Well I guess unless you want the TC instead.

Sure it only has one cut but I'd still say it does the film justice.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 10 Jul 2008, 19:52

For one of the greatest films ever made, well it feels a little hollow all round.

The German one I guess is good, but that price does pain me and I know a Blu Ray will be along to blow that version away, a remastered version with better picture.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2008, 00:42

EvaUnit02 wrote:The obvious biker stunt doubles during the canal chase stand out now more than ever!

Christ, those were obvious even on pirated VHS!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2008, 01:14

Which capture?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 11 Jul 2008, 09:14

bradavon wrote:Which capture?

None of them. Have you even seen Terminator 2?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2008, 12:05

Of course but I never bother to look for stunt doubles, so never spot them.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 11 Jul 2008, 12:46

The magic of Hollywood:

Stunt people in wide shots:

Actors in close-ups:

If you're gonna use stunt doubles, try to find some that look like the actors.
The kid's stunt double has curly hair, for fuck's sake.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2008, 14:14

You guys are such geeks

. I've not once spotted or frankly cared enough to look. I've seen that scene loads of times.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 11 Jul 2008, 14:31

How can you not notice it when it's right in the middle of the frame?

I remember seeing that film for the first time at the theater.
"I wanna see the expression on Arnold's face in that shot.
Hey... hang on... THAT'S NOT AHNULD!!".

Same thing with Face Off during the boat fight.
I didn't know which stuntman was supposed to play Travolta and which one was playing Cage. All I saw was two stuntmen fighting on a boat.

That's why I (we?) love HK cinema.
Most of the actors do their own stunts (and stuntmen are smart enough to hide their ugly faces).

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 11 Jul 2008, 15:01

Some People must watch films, with their eyes closed! if its directly in front of your eyes how on earth can you not see them.

T2 is pretty good in the stunt department for doubles, but some shots area little dodgy

Face Off is a joke from beginning to end becuase of them stunt doubles, takes you so far out of the film it decimates the story and action.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2008, 15:52

bradavon wrote:Of course but I never bother to look for stunt doubles, so never spot them.

You don't have to look hard. A cursory glance tells you that you're watching doubles.

Other films with poor doubling include True Lies and Sudden Death.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2008, 21:32

tom2681 wrote:How can you not notice it when it's right in the middle of the frame?

Because I prefer to actually watch the movie

, the fact it's in the centre of the frame isn't relevant. Besides often stunt doubles are on screen for seconds.

Obviously the majority of people don't spot them. I'm normal, you guys are freaks

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romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 12 Jul 2008, 14:42

bradavon wrote:
tom2681 wrote:How can you not notice it when it's right in the middle of the frame?
Because I prefer to actually watch the movie

Obviously you dont watch it at all.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jul 2008, 14:58

Are you saying millions of people don't watch movies then, but you do?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 12 Jul 2008, 15:20

What are you on about

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jul 2008, 16:10

You said I didn't watch it at all, just because I didn't spot a stunt double when in reality millions of other people don't either.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Jul 2008, 18:23

Brad, you're talking nonsense. Give it up and just admit the stunt doubling is crap.