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Unread post by Old Pang Yau » 01 Apr 2009, 07:15

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The worst I ever did was create gore effects with fake blood and fake skin from the local party store.
You sick fuck! :evil:
Okay, so dabbling with movie style effects that wouldn't get anybody hurt (which I didn't really start trying until I was around 9 or 10) makes me sick? Well, it certainly didn't hurt my high school and college film/video classes a decade-plus later :D Although the most I ever got to do for classes was create fake blood, but oh well.

As for me "taking the piss" seeing ETD on video when I was two... I have a photo around here somewhere with me with a pair of foam nunchaku around the back of my neck, while Bruce Lee stares up at Han on the TV next to me. Oh, and somewhere there's a video of me right before my 4th birthday jumping around with my t-shirt half off a la Bruce Lee in the final fight of The Big Boss... which was only "Fists of Fury" to me back then. Hey, saturday afternoons to me back then meant Black Belt Theater on the local TV station!
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Unread post by Yi-Long » 01 Apr 2009, 10:33

Old Pang Yau wrote:Hey, it was balanced out with seeing the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles around the same time in theaters! Seriously though, I never had any "issues" that many people seem to think kids would get seeing R-rated films or playing M-rated games. My parents, mainly my dad, knew as long as they taught me what was real and "make believe" when I was little, I'd turn out all right. The worst I ever did was create gore effects with fake blood and fake skin from the local party store. Hey, I could go on talking about playing Mortal Kombat II in arcades when I was 8 too... Oh, and as for someone mentioning Cannibal Ferox... yeah, caught that film on VHS when I was around 14, but that's going into high school territory, so that doesn't really count 8)
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Well, I agree with your dad's POV, as was already obvious ;)

My mom did turn off 'The A-Team' once, when Murdock was strapped to the traintracks in a dark tunnel, and a train was approaching him.
Obviously, I threw her through a window when she did that.

And she didn't want me to watch Miami Vice, I guess cause she knew that would make me turn into a drug-dealing pimp wearing bad shirts and growing a stuble...
Obviously, I watched it at a classmate's house.
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Unread post by Shingster » 01 Apr 2009, 10:34

Knowing that Mark is a child of the 80s I'm quite shocked that he wasn't exposed to at least one action film with some violence in it at some point as a toddler tbh, most parents in that decade were watching films like that in their evenings, and yes many parents wouldn't have a problem with a young child being exposed to a bit of fisticuffs, because as already stated in this thread they can't comprehend the context of violence in the first place. Kickboxer is the type of film ITV and BBC1 would and still do broadcast past the 8pm watershed.

There is nothing explicit in Kickboxer. As for OPY seeing ETD at the age of 2, one of my earliest film-watching memories was watching ETD round my uncle's. I wasn't 2 but I wasn't much older, 4 or 5 maybe. I watched my first Jackie Chan film around 8 (Police Story 2) and had already seen most of Lee's films by then!

Oh and Kickboxer's 18 rating was completely overzealous, it would gain a 15 these days no problems! Heck I bet it would make PG-13 in the states nowadays!
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Unread post by HungFist » 01 Apr 2009, 11:17

Edit: I'm 22 now, born in 1986.

My parents didn't let me see just anything when I was a kid. When I was 7 my free time was mix of Bond films, Indiana Jones and The Moomins. But even at 11 my dad didn't let me see Leon. That made me agry because the other boys in school had seen it.

Die Hard 2 I saw at my friend's place with his dad. At home I wasn't allowed to see it.

It was around that time when I saw the first 16 rated films in cinema with my dad: Goldeneye (1995) and The Rock (1996). But the "hand censorship" was still there.

I wanted to see Starship Troopers (1997), but in the end I didn't dare to take my dad to see it. He didn't know much about it, but I was pretty sure he wouldn't approve it, lol. Thankfully a friend borrowed me the video some 6 months later.

Robocop, Commando and Basic Instinct (Basic nearly gave me nightmares) I had to watch secretly. This became possible because when I was 11 I got my own TV because I had bought Playstation (Resident Evil was the first game).

Point of No Return (the Nikita remake) I watched secretly in the living room when I was 9. My parents were sleeping and throughout the film I kept one eye on their bedroom door, ready to be pretending to sleep if someone comes out. This is a nice memory :D
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Unread post by grim_tales » 01 Apr 2009, 11:19

I wasn't watching 18 rated films when I was about 4 or 5 (!) :D I'm a bit younger than Mark though.

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Unread post by Shingster » 01 Apr 2009, 11:34

What about films like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard? That's the level of action film I'm talking about, Kickboxer is no more violent than these. Obviously I don't mean more graphic films like Robocop and Predator!

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Unread post by HungFist » 01 Apr 2009, 11:58

I would say Lethal Weapon is more violent than Predator. Some of the violence is Lethal Weapon is pretty sadistic as far as I recall. Predator is just fun macho movie violence.

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Unread post by Shingster » 01 Apr 2009, 12:06

Yeah Lethal Weapon is more violent than Predator (and definitely more violent than Kickboxer), but it's less graphic. It's graphic imagery that makes an impression on children rather than the actual violent act itself.

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Unread post by romerojpg » 01 Apr 2009, 17:19

I remember seeing Alien and the chest burster scene at christmas around a family members house, I was playing along heard across the other side of the room the screaming and looked at the TV while it was on and witnessed that epic exposion of gore at maybe 7 or 8 years old.
Cannot say it disturbed me, but I would never in a million years show that, even in the background like I was exposed to it, to a child ever.

No wonder the fucking country is so messed up :D

Only a fucker shows nasty shit to kids, the kids deserve taking of the parents.

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Unread post by Shingster » 01 Apr 2009, 21:35

People were desensitised to violence in the 80s unlike today, films are not made for adults anymore.

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Unread post by romerojpg » 01 Apr 2009, 21:43

Yup they HAVE to add a wisecrack now to lessen the violence and shock as well. Which is a pain when now as it then turns into comedy as it seems so badly done nowadays!

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Unread post by Markgway » 01 Apr 2009, 23:25

Yi-Long wrote:My mom did turn off 'The A-Team' once, when Murdock was strapped to the traintracks in a dark tunnel, and a train was approaching him. Obviously, I threw her through a window when she did that.
That'll teach the bitch! :twisted:
And she didn't want me to watch Miami Vice, I guess cause she knew that would make me turn into a drug-dealing pimp wearing bad shirts and growing a stuble...Obviously, I watched it at a classmate's house.
...and now you're a drug-dealing pimp wearing bad shirts and growing a stuble. So she was spot-on!
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Unread post by Markgway » 01 Apr 2009, 23:33

Shingster wrote:Knowing that Mark is a child of the 80s I'm quite shocked that he wasn't exposed to at least one action film with some violence in it at some point as a toddler tbh, most parents in that decade were watching films like that in their evenings, and yes many parents wouldn't have a problem with a young child being exposed to a bit of fisticuffs, because as already stated in this thread they can't comprehend the context of violence in the first place.
If my parents were to watch an unsuitable film they sent me to bed. When I was a toddler I was asleep by 7pm after a binge of rusks and diluted orange juice.
Kickboxer is the type of film ITV and BBC1 would and still do broadcast past the 8pm watershed.
Lol... when? Kickboxer TO THIS DAY hasn't been on network TV at 8pm (and the watershed is still 9pm). And when Channel 5 screen it they cut some of the swearing.
There is nothing explicit in Kickboxer.
Did I say explicit anywhere? Doesn't have to be explicit to be unsuitable does it? What about programmes that have adult themes such as rape or drug abuse? Might not be graphic but still not for young kids. I'm actually quite shocked at how young you guys started with the R-rated films.
Oh and Kickboxer's 18 rating was completely overzealous, it would gain a 15 these days no problems! Heck I bet it would make PG-13 in the states nowadays!
No chance. Kickboxer is clearly R-rated material. The language alone ensures that it would never get a lower rating and some of the violence (hands wrapped in glass being used to slash and punch an opponent) is strong. A '15' isn't completely out of touch but I'm not sure the BBFC would give way. I think an '18' is a more comfortable rating.
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Unread post by Yi-Long » 01 Apr 2009, 23:33

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Yi-Long wrote:My mom did turn off 'The A-Team' once, when Murdock was strapped to the traintracks in a dark tunnel, and a train was approaching him. Obviously, I threw her through a window when she did that.
That'll teach the bitch! :twisted:
Yeah, she put in stronger windows.
And she didn't want me to watch Miami Vice, I guess cause she knew that would make me turn into a drug-dealing pimp wearing bad shirts and growing a stuble...Obviously, I watched it at a classmate's house.
...and now you're a drug-dealing pimp wearing bad shirts and growing a stuble. So she was spot-on!
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Unread post by Markgway » 01 Apr 2009, 23:40

Shingster wrote:Yeah Lethal Weapon is more violent than Predator (and definitely more violent than Kickboxer), but it's less graphic. It's graphic imagery that makes an impression on children rather than the actual violent act itself.
Not necessarily. Bloodier doesn't always mean more shocking. Take Reservoir Dogs for example. That has less violence than any of the films you mentioned but is more disturbing. Tone and style also have a lot to do with the impact. To me Lethal Weapon and Die Hard aren't at all suitable for kids. They're filled with strong violence and sadistic brutality. ITV used to screen emasculated US TV versions at 9pm. I don't know why adults feel they have to share everything with kids. Sometimes an adult film is an adult film. Let kids wait under they're old enough to sneak peak these films (like Hung Fist and myself) rather than spoonfeed them adult content.
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Unread post by Yi-Long » 01 Apr 2009, 23:50

I don't think it's the actual violence that frightens young children. It's the idea of there being an alien or aliens, or the idea of of those cloaked black creatures from LOTR, or the the idea of there being a kid-stealing scary man, or a shark when you go swimming, or killer-bees, or whatever. You will find that scary regardless of there being violence or not.

Cops shooting robbers or cowboys shooting indians or kickboxers kicking eachothers' heads in... meh!

I think 'parents' see violence in movies and mistake it as 'violence', thus bad. While most of us, including most kids, see violence in movies as 'entertainment'. We like to see the bad guy kicked in the face or shot through the head. He deserves it! We like to be spooked at times, even when we were kids.

Ofcourse there will be some (neglected) kids who don't 'get it', and might be spooked cause there parents have always pretended the world is full of pink roses and happy sweet people... but MOST children/teens will understand that the 'violence' in a movie is FAKE, and to be enjoyed instead of to be feared, or to be imitated.
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Unread post by Old Pang Yau » 02 Apr 2009, 00:55

Yi-Long wrote:I don't think it's the actual violence that frightens young children. It's the idea of there being an alien or aliens, or the idea of of those cloaked black creatures from LOTR, or the the idea of there being a kid-stealing scary man, or a shark when you go swimming, or killer-bees, or whatever. You will find that scary regardless of there being violence or not.

Cops shooting robbers or cowboys shooting indians or kickboxers kicking eachothers' heads in... meh!

I think 'parents' see violence in movies and mistake it as 'violence', thus bad. While most of us, including most kids, see violence in movies as 'entertainment'. We like to see the bad guy kicked in the face or shot through the head. He deserves it! We like to be spooked at times, even when we were kids.

Ofcourse there will be some (neglected) kids who don't 'get it', and might be spooked cause there parents have always pretended the world is full of pink roses and happy sweet people... but MOST children/teens will understand that the 'violence' in a movie is FAKE, and to be enjoyed instead of to be feared, or to be imitated.
And thank you! :P And not to use a cliche, but it's probably far worse just watching the 5/6 o'clock news sometimes... especially here in the Washington D.C. area :cry:
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Unread post by grim_tales » 02 Apr 2009, 09:15

When I was about 10/11 or 12 my dad wouldn't let me watch Beetlejuice or Jasper Carrott. We watched KYTV though.

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Unread post by Markgway » 02 Apr 2009, 16:26

grim_tales wrote:When I was about 10/11 or 12 my dad wouldn't let me watch Beetlejuice or Jasper Carrott.
That's pretty strict even by my standards... :D
We watched KYTV though.
Sounds supiciously like porn... :o
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Unread post by Old Pang Yau » 02 Apr 2009, 19:29

I just found this a bit ironic... apparently Road House is coming out on blu-ray the same month as Kickboxer... and they both came out in theaters the same year... and I saw them both in the theaters :D

*anxiously awaits Markgway's shit fit/"piss taking" accusation* :wink:
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Unread post by romerojpg » 02 Apr 2009, 19:34

Well some parents have morals and bring up their children right.

Some let them watch anything.

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Unread post by Old Pang Yau » 02 Apr 2009, 20:16

Well, despite the films I saw when I was little, I grew up fine. Never committed any crimes, always made great grades in school (only missed honor roll a select few times, but always made "dean's list" in college), had good friends, and I currently have a great job and girlfriend... so my parents couldn't have done too bad with me! Hell, if it wasn't for them allowing me to get into these films when I did, I might've never had the interest in film that I do now or tried to get into film making... or had the chance to see Terminator 2 in theaters... twice :D
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Unread post by Yi-Long » 02 Apr 2009, 20:18

Old Pang Yau wrote:Well, despite the films I saw when I was little, I grew up fine. Never committed any crimes, always made great grades in school (only missed honor roll a select few times, but always made "dean's list" in college), had good friends, and I currently have a great job and girlfriend... so my parents couldn't have done too bad with me! Hell, if it wasn't for them allowing me to get into these films when I did, I might've never had the interest in film that I do now or tried to get into film making... or had the chance to see Terminator 2 in theaters... twice :D
You hang around with trashy hoodlums on the internet though...

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Unread post by Old Pang Yau » 02 Apr 2009, 20:44

Yi-Long wrote: You hang around with trashy hoodlums on the internet though...

;)
All right, you got me there :lol:
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Unread post by Markgway » 02 Apr 2009, 23:32

Old Pang Yau wrote:Well, despite the films I saw when I was little, I grew up fine.
I'm glad that worked out for you, but can you guarantee that for all children? Maybe you're just a good person? Truth is: Most parents who let their kids watch anything adult at a young age are bad parents in other areas too and their kids grow up to little bastards.
Never committed any crimes, always made great grades in school (only missed honor roll a select few times, but always made "dean's list" in college), had good friends, and I currently have a great job and girlfriend... so my parents couldn't have done too bad with me!
Fuckin' goody two-shoes. :D
Hell, if it wasn't for them allowing me to get into these films when I did, I might've never had the interest in film that I do now or tried to get into film making... or had the chance to see Terminator 2 in theaters... twice :D
I remember when T2 came out an American woman on TV saying how she took her 5 yr old daughter to see the film and the little girl was really scared. The presenters gave her a "well, fuckin duh!" look.
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